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Old December 14th, 2009, 07:54 AM   #41
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Quick little update.

My doubler kit FINALLY showed up, only about 3 months late. And I still don't have the intermediate shaft. At least this much of the kit will enable me to get the cases mounted so I can further refine my link mounting locations.



I got the 231 all torn down and cut apart. If I get time today, I'll get the block off plate welded in place. Then the 205 goes to the shop to get rebuilt. Optimistically, I'll be bolting this stuff in and making a new crossmember this weekend.





A few random things I ordered. This is a "crossmbmer kit" from Ruff Stuff. Looked handy, so I grabbed it. And some misc. tabs to be used for axle side lower link mounts. All 3/8" thick.





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Old December 27th, 2009, 09:06 AM   #42
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For anybody following this thread, any advice would be greatly appreciated!

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Old December 29th, 2009, 06:12 PM   #43
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DEEP SIGH......

I've had it. This 231/205 doubler ends today. I've wasted almost a week working on this shit, and I'm tired of it. I'm going to take hit on the cost of the doubler kit and 231 and scrap the whole damn idea. I've been constantly nervous about the thin aluminum 231 since I started this. Then I realized I have to turn the 231 upside down, so I can't use my transmission adapter or my factory 231 shifter, which I was not happy about (more time and money). Today, I realized two more things. 1) I can't get the damn thing to clock to where I want it because the center shaft in the 205 is right in way of the ear of the 231 in the "ideal" location. So I have to either choose too high or two low by more than an inch. 2) The Chevy 231 cases don't have "ears" on them like the Jeep cases do, so I had to grind way down into the case to make clearance to get the bolts in. Again, very nervous about thin aluminum holding up. All this shit adds up to me not liking or being confident in this setup, so I'm done with it.

Here's an idea of said problem areas discovered today.



So, looks like tomorrow I'm ordering a 203/205 kit. Although it is heavy and I lose some ratio in the low-low gear, its absolutely bulletproof, and I can FINALLY stop worrying about it holding up. My shop down the road has a Chevy 203 and a factory adapter I can have. I'll also have to pull my trans and have him switch the output shaft in it so it all works together. I'll probably just save the screwing around and order a triple stick cable shifter set, so I can put it where I want to in the cab. And still all at 1/3 the cost of a 4 speed Atlas, and in 1/4 the time.

As of now, I'm leaning toward Jed's kit. I like that its steel and gives +/- 8 degrees of clockability after I tell him where I think it should go. He can also have it to me in less than a week. In comparison, the ORD kit does not have the clockability, is made out of aluminum, and is 2-3 weeks out. The Northwest Fab just scares me with all those little modular aluminum pieces.

Anybody have a reason why I shouldn't go this route before I pull the trigger?
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Old December 29th, 2009, 06:29 PM   #44
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nice build thread man!!that s10 is PURE BAD AZZ
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Old December 29th, 2009, 07:25 PM   #45
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I've had it. This 231/205 doubler ends today. I've wasted almost a week working on this shit, and I'm tired of it. I'm going to take hit on the cost of the doubler kit and 231 and scrap the whole damn idea. I've been constantly nervous about the thin aluminum 231 since I started this. Then I realized I have to turn the 231 upside down, so I can't use my transmission adapter or my factory 231 shifter, which I was not happy about (more time and money). Today, I realized two more things. 1) I can't get the damn thing to clock to where I want it because the center shaft in the 205 is right in way of the ear of the 231 in the "ideal" location. So I have to either choose too high or two low by more than an inch. 2) The Chevy 231 cases don't have "ears" on them like the Jeep cases do, so I had to grind way down into the case to make clearance to get the bolts in. Again, very nervous about thin aluminum holding up. All this shit adds up to me not liking or being confident in this setup, so I'm done with it.

Here's an idea of said problem areas discovered today.



So, looks like tomorrow I'm ordering a 203/205 kit. Although it is heavy and I lose some ratio in the low-low gear, its absolutely bulletproof, and I can FINALLY stop worrying about it holding up. My shop down the road has a Chevy 203 and a factory adapter I can have. I'll also have to pull my trans and have him switch the output shaft in it so it all works together. I'll probably just save the screwing around and order a triple stick cable shifter set, so I can put it where I want to in the cab. And still all at 1/3 the cost of a 4 speed Atlas, and in 1/4 the time.

As of now, I'm leaning toward Jed's kit. I like that its steel and gives +/- 8 degrees of clockability after I tell him where I think it should go. He can also have it to me in less than a week. In comparison, the ORD kit does not have the clockability, is made out of aluminum, and is 2-3 weeks out. The Northwest Fab just scares me with all those little modular aluminum pieces.

Anybody have a reason why I shouldn't go this route before I pull the trigger?
Would a jeep case solve some of those issues, or no?
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Some issues yes, others no.
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Old December 29th, 2009, 07:32 PM   #47
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i'll take sloppy seconds!!
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No sir once that baby is inside me we be getting married
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Old December 29th, 2009, 10:09 PM   #51
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keep up with the good work. I hope mine will look like that someday.
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Anybody have a reason why I shouldn't go this route before I pull the trigger?
For your truck I would run the 203/205. It weighs more but your piece of mind will be well worth it. I sorta went through this shit when I had to decide between my tera low, which is a weak piece of shit, and spending a ton of money on an Atlas. I had to sell the teralow for exactly what it cost me to fix (which coulda just went towards the atlas) but in the end it was WAY worth it. Now I know no matter what happens to my jeep I will never have to worry about my t-case. Even if I switch trannys in the future all I will need is a new input gear for $125. Also, don't get too hung up on having the bottom of your truck even with the bottom of your frame. Yes it would be nice to have but really a inch or even an inch and a half isn't going to matter much as long as you have a nice, flat, full coverage skid that you can slide over shit without any part of it getting hung up on anything. If it means getting everything to fit the way you want it, and it all shifts nice and gives your exhaust room to fit, then the inch of clearance lost isnt a big deal. Although it sounds like your new setup will be a better fit anyway. Good luck.
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Thanks for the encouragement.
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The 203/205 is a go. I got everything mocked up this morning to get my measurements and then called Jed's to place my order. I am having him clock the 205 up about 1/2" from OEM rotation, which should hopefully put the bottom of the 205 at 1-3/4" below the frame rail so I can use 2" tube to build my subframe. This will also give me a perfect driveshaft angle (15 degrees of tube slope and lines up perfect with the pinion angle). There are two extra sets of holes in the adapter, so I can move it +/- 8 degrees if necessary (hopefully not). To add a few more inches to the overall length, he's sending me a long Chevy 205 input gear and making his adapter accordingly. This will get the distance between the TH350 and the 205 out to around 12", the same as it is now with the 231 kit. Otherwise, it would have been about 9.5".

I'm going to borrow a trans jack and drop the trans out tomorrow. The doubler kit is due "no later than" 1/14. Hopefully the shop can have it all assembled for me by 1/18 and I'll be able to get it all in and mounted that weekend.

This is close to the position the 205 will be in when all is complete. It will be clocked up 1/2" from here.







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man, that is a nice truck, love that front bumper
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Old December 30th, 2009, 10:54 PM   #56
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i hope me comes out as good as yours that thing is bad ass he the link to my rig build thread
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Old January 1st, 2010, 11:32 PM   #57
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hey man got a question are you sellin your anti wrap bars if so let me know i want/need them
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hey man got a question are you sellin your anti wrap bars if so let me know i want/need them
The front is for sale now. I've got a guy that wants it, but I doubt he'll get the cash. I've given him until the 5th to pay. I'll let you know how that goes.
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Power went out at work, so I got to go home early.

Look what was waiting for me at home. I already have the high output pump, 6" reservoir, and a monster cooler.

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Got the doubler home. They stripped both cases to empty, sandblasted them, then reassembled with all new parts. This shit should be absolutely 100% bulletproof. I'm very happy with the overall quality of doubler kit itself too. The machine quality is top notch, but the weld quality is sub-par. I may have already mentioned it, but I switched to a "long Chevy" 205 input gear, which added a few extra inches to the length of the doubler. Anything I can do to help the front driveshaft angle.

They were supposed to have my trans Friday, and they forgot to bring it in. Then they were going to bring it in Saturday and call me to come get it, and I never got a call. So frustrating sometimes...........

Sorry to say this will probably be the last progress for quite some time. Things are getting just short of insane at work. I'm picking up a fourth day at 6:30AM - 11:00PM. In another few weeks, that will go to 5 days. By May, it will probably be 6 days. I guess my two options at this point are to give up on the truck until August, or take it somewhere to get the work done.













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