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Old November 16th, 2009, 08:24 AM   #21
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I think this discussion just made my decision for me. The fact that you're even considering having to re-engineer and custom make parts for your "fairly new" joints pretty well tells the story. I know a lot of people running Johnny Joints with no slop after years of wheeling.

Anybody else have anything to say on this subject?
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Old November 16th, 2009, 08:39 AM   #22
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I think this discussion just made my decision for me. The fact that you're even considering having to re-engineer and custom make parts for your "fairly new" joints pretty well tells the story. I know a lot of people running Johnny Joints with no slop after years of wheeling.

Anybody else have anything to say on this subject?
To recap though, my solution may be as simple as making sure they are the solid bushing and not the injected ones with voids.

I'm going to call them to discuss & see what they have to say. I need to do something anyway.
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Old November 16th, 2009, 08:47 AM   #23
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Great thread. My project has qa1 heims, but I am concerned that they will not hold up to sand very well. I hope to get out to alot of places. Probabaly trails and silver lake the most, as thats where I live.
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Old November 16th, 2009, 08:55 AM   #24
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To recap though, my solution may be as simple as making sure they are the solid bushing and not the injected ones with voids.

I'm going to call them to discuss & see what they have to say. I need to do something anyway.
Excellent. Definitely let us know.

Since they state on their site that there is "no warranty" on the injected molded races and "lifetime warranty" on the solid races, I expect the solid races will solve your problem.
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Old November 16th, 2009, 09:09 AM   #25
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Keep in mind to that Jim has the early version of the Ballistic joint. I'm pretty sure they fixed the spiral ring issue with the new forged design, and the races have been changed as well, as the picture shows.

Jim, if you're having issues, jump on the ballistic forum on pirate. They may help you out. I know they were helping out some other guys on there with the earlier parts. Possibly even replacing them. Or at least suggesting a fix.

That being said, I'm using 2.63 ballistic joints and bushing. They've been holding down the cardboard box they came in just fine. No complaints thus far.
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Old November 16th, 2009, 09:48 AM   #26
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Keep in mind to that Jim has the early version of the Ballistic joint. I'm pretty sure they fixed the spiral ring issue with the new forged design, and the races have been changed as well, as the picture shows.

Jim, if you're having issues, jump on the ballistic forum on pirate. They may help you out. I know they were helping out some other guys on there with the earlier parts. Possibly even replacing them. Or at least suggesting a fix.

That being said, I'm using 2.63 ballistic joints and bushing. They've been holding down the cardboard box they came in just fine. No complaints thus far.
I'll do that.

re the ones in cardboard, I've got a address you can ship them to.
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Old November 16th, 2009, 11:50 AM   #27
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from what i see i would never buy a joint that is adjustable.mike has gone through all his 3 times, uppers 4.he now has solid heims.i have johnny joints in my front lowers.2 years of easy driving and they are still tight.i was a little concerned when i put them in because they were so tight, i had to use a press to put the clip on.i am putting all 1 1/4 heims on my new stuff.27 bucks each....
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Old November 16th, 2009, 12:07 PM   #28
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Gonna have to give my standard response that Ballistic has some of the worst customer service I have ever encountered. They lost us as a customer over replacing a $20 part. Even if they thought we were in the wrong (and incompetent as stated in a phone conversation) they would not suck it up and eat the $20. Retarded. We have since bought many dollars in joints from other places.

Currie makes a nice joint, Trail Gear has a similar design as well. I have one sitting right next to me that appears to be excellent quality.
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Old November 16th, 2009, 12:31 PM   #29
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I had also checked it when I had it apart & found the gap to be pretty significant. At the moment, I can't remember the number.

Trust me, they're not touching.
The reason I'm hung up on them bottoming out on one another is because when I had them apart and during the building of them I had them assembled in my hand and the two halves were pretty much touching eachother with the center ball in them.

Either way it looks like the "new" races should solve the problems, put them in and see how it does.

As far as the spiral snap ring, being 1/2 out, whether it's stronger by design or not, I dont think that would happen with a standard style snap ring.


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Currie makes a nice joint, Trail Gear has a similar design as well. I have one sitting right next to me that appears to be excellent quality.
I'm building around currie joints right now and I'm happy with them. They lasted great and needed nothing on the last build that I had for 4 years and is still going strong.

The trailgear creeper joints seem to be having the same problems the early johnny joints had and that's not using a strong enough washer to retain the ball. It's deforming and letting them loosen up and in some cases self destruct. Theres a thread on pirate about it, I'm not sure if trailgear is working on a fix for them or what but if that gets fixed they could be a quality joint too.
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Old November 16th, 2009, 12:39 PM   #30
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Great thread. My project has qa1 heims, but I am concerned that they will not hold up to sand very well. I hope to get out to alot of places. Probabaly trails and silver lake the most, as thats where I live.
There's always these boots, but kinda like shock boots they may hurt more than help in sand...
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Old November 16th, 2009, 12:40 PM   #31
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That's a Summit Machine logo on that spanner:
http://www.summitmachine.com/

There joints are here:
Summit Machine Joint
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Old November 16th, 2009, 12:43 PM   #32
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That's a Summit Machine logo on that spanner:
http://www.summitmachine.com/

There joints are here:
Summit Machine Joint
I was waiting for someone to catch that.....

I accidentally buggered up one of the spanner nuts on the ballistic joints we were using and had a summit joint laying around. The summit machine adjuster threaded right into the ballistic housing and all the other dimensions were the same so I put that on there instead of the melted and boogered up ballistic adjuster.
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I use Currie Joints on my buggy. I have been more then happy with them. Good quality, Good customer service, and quick turn around. We used currie joints on DocBrad's TJ as well.

Ballistic can suck my balls. They be-low.
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Old November 16th, 2009, 12:55 PM   #34
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I use Currie Joints on my buggy. I have been more then happy with them. Good quality, Good customer service, and quick turn around. We used currie joints on DocBrad's TJ as well.

Ballistic can suck my balls. They be-low.
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Old November 16th, 2009, 01:14 PM   #35
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You can actually see the inner portion of the spiral clip starting to push out. As I said earlier, the retaining washer on this side seems to be oil canning which is a concern.




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I was waiting for someone to catch that.....

I accidentally buggered up one of the spanner nuts on the ballistic joints we were using and had a summit joint laying around. The summit machine adjuster threaded right into the ballistic housing and all the other dimensions were the same so I put that on there instead of the melted and boogered up ballistic adjuster.

no biggie
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Old November 16th, 2009, 01:27 PM   #36
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Chris, I added a little info on the other board if that helps (in your thread)
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Old November 16th, 2009, 02:05 PM   #37
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Just got of the phone with Ballistic. When I told him that I was having problems with bushings that were wearing out, his first question was "does the vehicle see any offroad use?" I'm thinking WTF, you think I spent all this money for a daily driver?

Anyway, I said yeah, it's exclusively offroad. He says "then I'd recommend the solid bushings because the injected ones don't hold up very well. They're really only good for a daily driver".

So, no warranty on the injected ones but there is on the solid ones. I ordered a bunch of the solid replacement bushings & he was willing to knock off 5%. I'm going to go through and rebuild any worn ones & if they don't hold up I'll go to plan B.
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Old November 16th, 2009, 04:23 PM   #38
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Is plan B to burn it to the ground and build a cool jeep?
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Old November 16th, 2009, 04:39 PM   #39
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Gonna have to give my standard response that Ballistic has some of the worst customer service I have ever encountered. They lost us as a customer over replacing a $20 part. Even if they thought we were in the wrong (and incompetent as stated in a phone conversation) they would not suck it up and eat the $20. Retarded. We have since bought many dollars in joints from other places.

Currie makes a nice joint, Trail Gear has a similar design as well. I have one sitting right next to me that appears to be excellent quality.
I know this isn't directly related, but I just saw this in the ballistic zone.

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We have put alot of time and effort into catching up on what we can. Granted Ballistic Bushings and a few other miscellaneous items are back ordered for a few more days... however all new orders are shipping same day if ordered before 3:00 MST if parts are quoted as 'in-stock' by a salesperson over the phone. You can also request a partial if you run into a back ordered item, and we'll get everything else out at no additional cost (in most cases) as soon as it becomes available.

We would like to invite people to post their feedback on orders placed from here out, we believe that we're ready to take on the most demanding orders without issue. We understand people's frustrations with previous ship times and want to prove to our customers that we mean business.

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my only beef with ballistic was shipping time.
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Old November 16th, 2009, 04:53 PM   #40
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On my TJ that just got built Im running all Johnny Joints in the rear for the 4 link. I went back and forth between all the different kinds of joints and for me JJ's should hold up just fine.
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