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Old October 22nd, 2009, 09:18 AM   #1
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Default The state is cutting school bus inspections. Just great.

http://detroitnews.com/article/20091...us-inspections

They are required by law, yet the sate is not going to fund them. If our reps up in Lansing change the law, I am scared to see some of the pieces of shit that will be out on the road.

The funding is roughly 1.4 million. We are going to cut that, but lease a new State Police Headquarters for roughly $3,999,999 more than we lease the current one.
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Old October 22nd, 2009, 09:27 AM   #2
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I know I am just some moron, but how about we cut spending somewhere else? Not our kids safety. Let cutting the able TV to prisons. How about we cut we cut everything non essential to living to prisons?
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When do we get to demand the ass wipes in Lansing cut their salaries?
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Old October 22nd, 2009, 09:36 AM   #4
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welcome to democrat fail. this is classic democrat tactics. cut spending to important programs to hide their own theft, then when the people bitch, add a new tax to make them happy. imo granholm needs to be tried for crimes against the people and treason.
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http://detroitnews.com/article/20091...us-inspections

They are required by law, yet the sate is not going to fund them. If our reps up in Lansing change the law, I am scared to see some of the pieces of shit that will be out on the road.

The funding is roughly 1.4 million. We are going to cut that, but lease a new State Police Headquarters for roughly $3,999,999 more than we lease the current one.
It is Crap. The Mechanic and my boss at work (School bus Garage) are pretty worried about it. The good (and bad I guess) news is that a Bus CAN'T transport Pupils with out the Michigan State Police Inspection tag. That means the "peices of Shit" that you're scared of to be on the road, won't be. However, It's putting the School districts in an even more of a hard space then they already are. They have to pay for the Inspections.

This is just one more expense to the Public school transportation industry and i wouldn't be surprised if alot of Districts go with Privatised companies because it will be "cheaper". Which in the Short run it is, but in the long run it's a money pit.

About the Police station. At the Current moment they reside in a building across from Harrison Ave. From MSU. They lease the property/Building for $1 a year. They have tons of extra space and easy access to high ways. The new building has the same $1 lease for the first couple years (as I understand it), but...then it goes up. The New building is in the middle of Downtown lansing and, at the moment, is Surrounded by construction barrels because of the Lansing CSO project. It's not much harder to get to the express way, but you still have to drive through the maze of one way streets in down town lansing. From what I've heard, the State Police don't even want it. They told them that, but the stupid politcians (including our wonderful mayor Verg) said they needed to be closer to the Capitol. It's rediculous.
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Do you think schools would just get rid of bus's. How much does the bus system cost a school? With all of the funding issues I would be willing to continue driving my kids to school to open up funding.
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Do you think schools would just get rid of bus's. How much does the bus system cost a school? With all of the funding issues I would be willing to continue driving my kids to school to open up funding.
What about all the people that cant?
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We are going to cut that, but lease a new State Police Headquarters for roughly $3,999,999 more than we lease the current one.
And it was brought to my attention by someone here that they use a blue on their vehicle no other police force uses along with a $$ academy that no other state has. THere was also a couple other things the MSP "needs" that is a waste of unnecessary funding.
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Do you think schools would just get rid of bus's. How much does the bus system cost a school? With all of the funding issues I would be willing to continue driving my kids to school to open up funding.
Let's do alittle math. Your car gets, lets say, 25 MPG. My Bus gets about 6-8MPG. I transport 50-78 children, You transport probably 1 or 2? If it opens up funding then that's good, but the bus system is actually a very Green way to transport children. Then there is the Safety factor. School busses are the safest way to transport children to school. I don't care how safe you drive, I don't care what kind of car you have. You can't provide the safety, or numbers, that a school bus can. Keep in mind I'm not trying to dis on you, just spelling out why school busses are so important.

Then there is the Added traffic if they eliminate busses. It would probably tripple the amount of cars at the school before and after. It would be Pandamoniom. If you think you wait in line to long in the morning as it is, Tripple that and that is what you'd be faced with every day. This would also cause a percentage of the Children to be late to school because of delays in traffic. That would cause more expenses for the individual Schools.

It costs alot to run our bus garage. My bus gets filled up with Diesel about 42 gallons a Week. We have about 19-24 busses on the road a day. That's about 1000 gallons a week. 4000 gallons a Month. 48,000 Gallons a Year. The district gets a Special price because of the Volume we get but I have no idea what that is. Let's say 2.50/Gal. That's 120,000 dollars a year for Diesel alone. Then there is the Salary for the Drivers, Secretary, Director, Mechanics. Quite a bit. So yeah, it is expensive. However, this new law would only be forcing the district to pay EVEN MORE for transportation. It's bad news.

Also, many people don't have the ability to transport thier kids to school. In someways, It's a Nessesity. In rural areas bus routes can travel as far as 20 miles to a drop off point. And I can tell you that pretty much all the districts are cut to the bone in transportation. We expanded the walking distance from each school to 1.25 miles. It's a hard place to be.
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Yeah no question it is a great and safe program. Since it is so expensive to begin with and now its going to cost more would there be any way to alter the program be more cost effecient and open up some funding instead of eliminating.

I agree with CK I am getting pretty dam pissed off about the decisions of out local government lately. I am not usually into politics but the more I dislike these decisions the more I want to get involved. I just moved to westland and my kids are in the livonia school district that just got funding cut.
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Yeah no question it is a great and safe program. Since it is so expensive to begin with and now its going to cost more would there be any way to alter the program be more cost effecient and open up some funding instead of eliminating.

I agree with CK I am getting pretty dam pissed off about the decisions of out local government lately. I am not usually into politics but the more I dislike these decisions the more I want to get involved. I just moved to westland and my kids are in the livonia school district that just got funding cut.
Not really. At least in our district. I mean, we have had to force our schools to pay for field trips and team trips. The kids pay for them out of thier parents pockets (). That raises the price to be on sports teams making it harder for the not so wealthy to be on those teams. Our busses are filled to capacity as it is. Most districts are. It's just how things are. Everybody's money is tight and I see this as the legislaters passing it off on the already stretched school districts. Why would they want pay cuts?

The only option we have at the moment is elimination of routes. That or expanding the walking distance even more. Nobody wants a 1st grader to have to walk 2 miles home and that would be what happens. Not because we're lazy, but because of safety.
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but hey, the state is coming after DOT inspected trucks full force. They can't make any money on the bus inspections so it seems they could care less about how your kid will get to school. I'm hearing the average DOT ticket now is almost a $1000.
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I trained at the current Michigan State Police training academy, right beside the state police. This is where they train the prison gaurds now also. They dont need a new headquarters. That one may be old, but there is everything there they need to train successfully.
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I am surprised noone has come up with a re-designed school bus instead of something based on the old dinosaur design. Kind of like the Carbon Motors police car idea. I know there are designs like city bus programs use but something specifically designed for school kids.
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I trained at the current Michigan State Police training academy, right beside the state police. This is where they train the prison gaurds now also. They dont need a new headquarters. That one may be old, but there is everything there they need to train successfully.
Exactly, I've heard from many people around Lansing/East Lansing area that the MSP didn't even want the new building. I mean, For MSU riots they would have to drive an extra 2 or 3 miles. With where it's at, instant Access.

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I am surprised noone has come up with a re-designed school bus instead of something based on the old dinosaur design. Kind of like the Carbon Motors police car idea. I know there are designs like city bus programs use but something specifically designed for school kids.
Actually, School busses are "evolving" very much and have come leaps and bounds from the "Dinosaur Designs". School busses are build specifically for Pupil transportation. The Reason they look like the old ones are because the old ones worked. There are so many safety features envolved with that design that there was no reason to change the body style. For instance, the reason they are so high is because the apron that hangs down from the floor (which is 2-3 ft off the ground) forces impacts down, away from the pupils. The seats are designed to absorb the energy from a crash. In a City bus, this is not the case because of the different orientation of the seats. Also, city busses are lower to the ground, making the passengers more open to damage from a Side on or straight on collision. They are also so high to make them Visible. Legally speaking a school bus is a moving traffic signal (that's why they are yellow). If you had a Lower riding bus with a Low profile it would be less Visible at stop, endangering the children crossing the street.

The Body design isn't were they need to make improvements. It's in the Drive train. And most companies are excelling in this area. More efficient, faster, and longer lasting drive trains. Incorporating, in some areas, Hybrid designs. Transmissions that shift at certain points to allow the engine to cruise at speeds common to school busses (25-35-45 MPH). Instead of having a Bus at 2500 RPM at 25MPH they shift down to achieve that same speed at 1500 RPM. The lists go on. Our brand new busses (that we got because of a Milage) are like spaceships. They have a computer screen to do anything from see how many miles are left in the tank to Diagnostic funtions for our mechanics to make repairs quicker. Thus saving time.

Most of these improvements aren't visible to the public. There are some companies working on making the bodies a bit more streamlined. One being the Thomas built Saf-T-Liner. I think they are Ugly as all get out, but they are a bit different. But still very high profile. With the fact that My Red lights get run at least once a week with a high profile vehicle I would assume that a lower profile Vehicle like a City bus would be worst. Less Visible. And that's what our Industry is about.
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welcome to democrat fail. this is classic democrat tactics. cut spending to important programs to hide their own theft, then when the people bitch, add a new tax to make them happy. imo granholm needs to be tried for crimes against the people and treason.

I agree with the thought, just have to say that both sides use these tactics. Take away something that will get the buzz going and people will start demanding solutions from the percieve bad guys, in this case the Republicans.
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a coworker and I were discussing the school cuts the other day and we were fairly sure that the school districts were suppose to be saved by the lottery earnings, how many of us have seen tons of commercials play the lottery help a school???? What happened with that?
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a coworker and I were discussing the school cuts the other day and we were fairly sure that the school districts were suppose to be saved by the lottery earnings, how many of us have seen tons of commercials play the lottery help a school???? What happened with that?


As I have always understood it, (and I may be wrong) the monies raised by the Lottery go into the General School fund. For every dollar going in though, a dollar can be reallocated from the fund for other uses.
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