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Old October 28th, 2009, 04:56 PM   #81
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You are right, the RICO laws have nothing to do with hate crimes. I was trying to point out how some laws are more encompassing because of real need.


Here is a scenarion that payed out many times over the years.

A person starts a fire on a neighbors lawn and spray paints swear words on the house. That person is caught and charged with misdemeanor trespassing and defacing of private property. A fine and maybe some community service along with restitution for any damages.

Laws are in place to deal with this.

Now, the other possibility that has also played out many time.

Black family moves into a neightborhood. A cross is burned on the front laws. The messages spray painted are "nigger go home" and "whites only". Other things spray painted are KKK and Aryan and skin head group names/signs.

SHould these people, when caught, also be charged with the same charges as the first scenario? YES

This is where hate crimes laws come into play.
Hate crime laws are racist, they cater to certain races and downplay the same crime commit agains't other races based on skin color, religion, or sexual orientation.

What if the first senario is in a prodomitly gay neighborhood and the damage was on a straight persons property, or black neighborhood on whiteys property. Hate crime????? You know you'll never see that.

Did you miss the black kids stomping the white kids ass on the bus. Never heard a mention of a hate crime.

Your a racist just like all liberals, but you don't have the balls to admit it.
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Old October 28th, 2009, 08:13 PM   #82
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On this we will simply agree to disagree.

So can I get an extra ticket for why I was speeding?



There is no way around it. If you are punishing people for the why of the crime you are now thought police.
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Old October 28th, 2009, 08:15 PM   #83
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Your a racist just like all liberals, but you don't have the balls to admit it.
He might be a few things but racist isnt one of them. He is just really old and gets confused sometimes.
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Has anyone read that Obama signed bill adding gays to hate crime bill. Yahoo news.com
I do believe I did mention this a few days ago and was shot down. I guess there is some truth to what I hear on the right wing radio I listen to. Go figure
Next thing try to speak in a negative about gays and see if you are investgated for a hate crime. The thought police are here.
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Old October 28th, 2009, 10:27 PM   #85
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Has anyone read that Obama signed bill adding gays to hate crime bill. Yahoo news.com
I do believe I did mention this a few days ago and was shot down. I guess there is some truth to what I hear on the right wing radio I listen to. Go figure
Next thing try to speak in a negative about gays and see if you are investgated for a hate crime. The thought police are here.
yup, heard about it. Don't have a problem with it. Read up on Matthew Shepherd. Have you had a problem with the thought police when you speak negative about other people of other ethnicity? No? Then why would you be worried about it with gays?
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yup, heard about it. Don't have a problem with it. Read up on Matthew Shepherd. Have you had a problem with the thought police when you speak negative about other people of other ethnicity? No? Then why would you be worried about it with gays?
We now will have gays put up on a pedestal for protection. They should really be protected from themselves. Not one group of people should be placed above any other. They are no more special than blacks, whites, indians or what have you. I would suppose in their own mind they believe themselves as special.
The guys that killed the Shepard boy had told the police that they only robbed him for his money and NOT because he was gay. That is something the gay agenda is pushing on.
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We now will have gays put up on a pedestal for protection. They should really be protected from themselves. Not one group of people should be placed above any other. They are no more special than blacks, whites, indians or what have you. I would suppose in their own mind they believe themselves as special.
The guys that killed the Shepard boy had told the police that they only robbed him for his money and NOT because he was gay. That is something the gay agenda is pushing on.
Ok. This isn't putting them on a pedestal. They are a more targeted group and this may help to stop crimes against them. Explain to me a plausible situation where this could be bad, not some insane bullshit about pedophiles.
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I'd love to beat a fag, nigger, spic, kike, . . . . so on! <---- hate speach

I'd love to bea a homosexual, aferican american, hispanic, Jew . . . . so on! <---- hate speach?
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I'd love to beat a fag, nigger, spic, kike, . . . . so on! <---- hate speach

I'd love to bea a homosexual, aferican american, hispanic, Jew . . . . so on! <---- hate speach?
fuck we just can't win .
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I'd love to beat a fag, nigger, spic, kike, . . . . so on! <---- hate speach

I'd love to bea a homosexual, aferican american, hispanic, Jew . . . . so on! <---- hate speach?
your point?
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Ok. This isn't putting them on a pedestal. They are a more targeted group and this may help to stop crimes against them. Explain to me a plausible situation where this could be bad, not some insane bullshit about pedophiles.
This is putting them or other "protected" minorities on a pedestal. As to the Shepard case, yes a motive for any crime needs to be established, but shouldn't take precedence over that act of the crime. So in say the Shepard murder, is it more important that a innocent person was killed or a gay person? I would think the fact that a innocent man was murdered would be the issue of the crime committed, his sexual preference if it had any bearing on the case would only be to show motive not the actual crime.

There has never been a law that stopped a crime, that is a fantasy. In fact that is what criminals do break laws. How would a hate crime law stop anyone from killing a minority or gay, if the law against murder won't stop them. It won't. Is that one extra law going to make that big of a difference?

How could this be bad, ever hear of equal protection under the law. Hate crime laws under mind this principle by creating a preferred group to protect. Ever noticed that the Lady of Justice is blind folded? That is because if your white, black, straight, gay, rich or poor, everyone is suppose to be the same in the eyes of the law. How do hate crime laws achieve this?
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You are 100% dead on traveller.
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some dbag decided to make himself the first example and shot up a couple kikes right after obama signed that bullshit. Should be interesting.

oh yeah, gays are mentally imbalanced and should all be institutionalized, or euthenized.

Bisexual women are still fucking hot!
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some dbag decided to make himself the first example and shot up a couple kikes right after obama signed that bullshit. Should be interesting.

oh yeah, gays are mentally imbalanced and should all be institutionalized, or euthenized.

Bisexual women are still fucking hot!
closet home are you . They won't touch your butt if you don't want them to .
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closet home are you . They won't touch your butt if you don't want them to .
No, expressing true beliefs. With correct spelling and everything Try it some time
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No, expressing true beliefs. With correct spelling and everything Try it some time
I spell like shit but that don't make you any less of a homo
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I spell like shit but that don't make you any less of a homo
sorry to disappoint you, but I truly believe that male homosexuality has something to do with a mental or chemical imbalance, maybe not enough testosterone/ too much estrogen, or some type of mental imbalance. It's not hateful or fearful for me to say so. If you really want something shoved up your ass, I'm sure we can find someone to help you with that
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sorry to disappoint you, but I truly believe that male homosexuality has something to do with a mental or chemical imbalance, maybe not enough testosterone/ too much estrogen, or some type of mental imbalance. It's not hateful or fearful for me to say so. If you really want something shoved up your ass, I'm sure we can find someone to help you with that
I have no clue what makes a homo a homo but if they don't hit on me They can do what they want behind closed doors . I don't like when I see it in public . Give's Me the creep's
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I have no clue what makes a homo a homo but if they don't hit on me They can do what they want behind closed doors . I don't like when I see it in public . Give's Me the creep's
There's exceptions to every rule, such as some fags being cool, respectful, and not over-all disgusting, but they're the exception. The rule of faggery is way more concerning, not just the sick shit they do themselves behind closed doors and in public, but what they want/are willing to do to peoples children, considering they are much more likely to act in that way, considering they are mentally imbalanced.
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your point?
Is it hate speach when you say you want to kill someone by there politically correct name.

For example: I want to kill an African American instead of I want to kill a "insert racial slur here" .
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