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Old October 6th, 2009, 05:32 PM   #1
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Below are links to the ORV statute and land use info as requested.

http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?m...n-vehicles-811

http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,1607,7...728---,00.html


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Old October 8th, 2009, 08:46 PM   #2
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so I looked thru that info but.... really what I want to know is when we ride on 2tracks with our street legal 4x4s or 2wd trucks or cars do we need a orv sticker? weve always thought we were legal without one (Ive got one on my rig but some friends dont)but others on this forum say one is needed. I guess that would mean that every hunter going into the woods on a 2 track or anyone else driving on a 2track would need a orv sticker on his truck?
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Don't be a cheap azz, spend the $16.25 and cover your butt, that's what I do. Like momma said, rather be safe than sorry.
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Don't be a cheap azz, spend the $16.25 and cover your butt, that's what I do. Like momma said, rather be safe than sorry.
Money to be used to close more trails
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Old October 8th, 2009, 10:17 PM   #5
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Don't be a cheap azz, spend the $16.25 and cover your butt, that's what I do. Like momma said, rather be safe than sorry.
Ive got orv stickers on 2 vehicles ,but I want to be able to tell my momma if she wants to go on a color tour in the woods from the comfort of her mini van
whether or not she needs to have a orv sticker on her van to be legal . for me the $16.25 is part the the cost of wheelin at silver lake .Drumond . we talked to the dnr while 2 trackin in 07 nothing was ever said about orv stickers (we may all have had them )but mabee things changed . I dont want to tell anyone they need a sticker while out for sunday ride if they dont.
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Call Mr. Kubisiak . He will conferm that you DONT need one on your street legal auto. I spent some time on the phone the other day with him on this matter, and in the lower part of Mi. you only need a sticker at SL. the Mounds and St hellens. Dispite of what a DNR officer tells you. This is from the desk of ;
Steve Kubisiak
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Forest, Mineral and Fire Management
Michigan Department of Natural Resources
P.O. Box 30452
Lansing, Michigan 48909-7952
517-373-1665


I think He know more than some Knuckle head.
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thank you ron I just wanted to be sure, since what you've said jives with what we always thought the law was .
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Call Mr. Kubisiak . He will conferm that you DONT need one on your street legal auto. I spent some time on the phone the other day with him on this matter, and in the lower part of Mi. you only need a sticker at SL. the Mounds and St hellens. Dispite of what a DNR officer tells you. This is from the desk of ;
Steve Kubisiak
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P.O. Box 30452
Lansing, Michigan 48909-7952
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I think He know more than some Knuckle head.
Except that Steve's opinion really doesn't matter as he's not the one interpeting the law and writing the ticket, the LEO is!
MANY times I've been stopped and ask for ORV stickers. If you read the actual law carefully I believe the phrase is still in there.....'Operating as an ORV'.

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(n) "ORV" or "vehicle" means a motor driven off-road recreation vehicle capable of cross-country travel without benefit of a road or trail, on or immediately over land, snow, ice, marsh, swampland, or other natural terrain. ORV or vehicle includes, but is not limited to, a multitrack or multiwheel drive vehicle, an ATV, a motorcycle or related 2-wheel, 3-wheel, or 4-wheel vehicle, an amphibious machine, a ground effect air cushion vehicle, or other means of transportation deriving motive power from a source other than muscle or wind. ORV or vehicle does not include a registered snowmobile, a farm vehicle being used for farming, a vehicle used for military, fire, emergency, or law enforcement purposes, a vehicle owned and operated by a utility company or an oil or gas company when performing maintenance on its facilities or on property over which it has an easement, a construction or logging vehicle used in performance of its common function, or a registered aircraft.

Meaning if you ride a trail that requires 4WD and even though you're street legal, P.A. 300, you're operating as 'an ORV'. Therefore, many LEO will write a ticket.
The only exception that I'm aware of is operating as an ORV on frozen waters but I can't find that exception in the law at the moment.
However, we've NEVER been able to test this as most people who get tickets just pay them as ORV violations are Misdemeanors, not C.I.'s
The safe bet is just get the dam sticker anyhow as it is actually starting to do some good for full size vehicle recreation in this state for a change.
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Taken from the ORV handbook, thanks Iceman


"Vehicles that are licensed under the Motor Vehicle Code as "street vehicles" require an ORV license only when they are being used as an ORV. A street-licensed ORV does not need an ORV license to use forest roads, but it will need an ORV license if it is used on designated trails or in areas designated for cross-country use.

An ORV license is not required for street-licensed vehicles used on the frozen surface of public waters or designated ORV routes."
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"designated" is the key word.
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"designated" is the key word.
Bingo, designated trails are those that are marked and signed under the ORV program guidelines, such as the 24", 50" and 72" trails and routes.
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Bingo, designated trails are those that are marked and signed under the ORV program guidelines, such as the 24", 50" and 72" trails and routes.
However, I don't find that wording in the law, only in the Handbook. It (P.A. 451) clearly says that if your using your vehicle as an ORV you need a sticker. It makes no mention of being exempt if you're a P.A. 300 licensed vehicle.
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Don't be a cheap azz, spend the $16.25 and cover your butt, that's what I do. Like momma said, rather be safe than sorry.
I would never purchase a sticker unless I was going to one of the few places in mi that require one.
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I would never purchase a sticker unless I was going to one of the few places in mi that require one.
This is however a situation where if you have it you get a free pass. If you don't you're subject to the LEO's wrath................
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So, what about boat launches and some parking spots on the side of the road that say a permit needed?

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However, I don't find that wording in the law, only in the Handbook. It (P.A. 451) clearly says that if your using your vehicle as an ORV you need a sticker. It makes no mention of being exempt if you're a P.A. 300 licensed vehicle.
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If I am not on a designated trail like the handbook says than I am not using my vehicle as an ORV am I? I sure as hell am not going to put an ORV on my pick up truck I use for hunting, nor am I going to tell my grandparents that the Buick they drive to the woods needs one.
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This is however a situation where if you have it you get a free pass. If you don't you're subject to the LEO's wrath................
I'll add that to my list of "I hope this happens to me"


My list now includes:

1. Receiving a ticket on stump hill
2. Receiving a ticket on preachers hill
3. Receiving a ticket on a public two track that is not marked as an orv route for not having an orv sticker
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If I am not on a designated trail like the handbook says than I am not using my vehicle as an ORV am I? I sure as hell am not going to put an ORV on my pick up truck I use for hunting, nor am I going to tell my grandparents that the Buick they drive to the woods needs one.
Exactly. If I'm not on a designated route/trail, then I am operating under the premis of a SOS vehicle on a forest road where a conventional 2wd vehicle is capable of going.

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This is however a situation where if you have it you get a free pass. If you don't you're subject to the LEO's wrath................
That is the problem with too many people. They tend to kiss up to the LEO even when he's wrong. If I'm legal without it, then I am legal without it. Simple.
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I just went out and got a sticker back mid summer after the hub bub over the cedar creek tickets, even tho I've only been out wheeling Sundays since and lamo stuff around White Cloud.
My thinking is the sticker cuts down on potential turmoil, and we all have enough of that
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Find an older edition of the ORV handbook - someone recently mentioned that the language has recently changed, it did not previously state you needed an ORV permit on a marked trail. I don't have an older copy to confirm.

Another exception not mentioned above is the new 4x4-only section of ORV Route on DI, which requires a trail permit. I wasn't part of the group that worked on the project, but my understanding was that this was part of the negotiation to get it approved. Someone later pointed out the irony of putting up ORV Route confidence markers that say you are OK w/o a trail permit if SOS licensed, when in fact on that particular stretch of trail that is not the case.
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