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View Poll Results: Opinion on Open Carry as it relates to the progress and preception of gun rights
OC is creates a bad image no matter what 3 4.84%
A right not exercised is a right lost 37 59.68%
OC does not hurt 8 12.90%
Appreciate the idea but potential negatives outweigh benefits 14 22.58%
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Old October 4th, 2009, 03:18 PM   #1
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POLL: Open Carry, Good or bad for gun rights

Ive gotten into the gun community as of late and sort of have mixed feelings about open carry, what is the GL4x4 consensus?

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Old October 4th, 2009, 03:27 PM   #2
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I would think that open carry is up to the individual. Myself I prefer to concel my weapon. It keeps em guessing

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I like the idea of being able to open carry. More so in rural areas though. Id rather have a large powerful pistol on my hip while camping/ hiking/ hunting over having to conceal a small less powerful less accurate one.


However the problem in urban areas isnt the person carrying, its the ignorant public who know nothing about the law, and scream "OMG HE GOTS A GUN!!!" or call the police on someone complying with the laws as written. I had a friend who got a "talking to" by a security guard when someone caught a glimpse of his cross draw under his coat. The friend basically laughed at the guard and walked away (he had a CPL).


Id also be afraid of someone trying to yank my weapon out of its holster from behind and using it on me. Hence why Im looking at these. Locking holsters with a hidden release. Unless you know a decent amount about modern tactical gear, its unlikely someone will be able to get it out of the holster in the 1-2 seconds its going to take me to react.




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Old October 4th, 2009, 03:39 PM   #4
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I would think that open carry is up to the individual. Myself I prefer to concel my weapon. It keeps em guessing
No need to guess anymore...Little hog leg.

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Old October 4th, 2009, 04:07 PM   #5
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I like the idea of being able to open carry. More so in rural areas though. Id rather have a large powerful pistol on my hip while camping/ hiking/ hunting over having to conceal a small less powerful less accurate one.


However the problem in urban areas isnt the person carrying, its the ignorant public who know nothing about the law, and scream "OMG HE GOTS A GUN!!!" or call the police on someone complying with the laws as written. I had a friend who got a "talking to" by a security guard when someone caught a glimpse of his cross draw under his coat. The friend basically laughed at the guard and walked away (he had a CPL).


Id also be afraid of someone trying to yank my weapon out of its holster from behind and using it on me. Hence why Im looking at these. Locking holsters with a hidden release. Unless you know a decent amount about modern tactical gear, its unlikely someone will be able to get it out of the holster in the 1-2 seconds its going to take me to react.



This is where I was going with this. Is there a better way to educate than shock value. My fear would be the "one guy" Oc'ing walking down the street would do more damage by freaking people out than a group would at say, an OC picnic. I cant see your pic here at work but IF I do decice to OC one day i would feel very confident that with my serpa holster no one would be able to snatch it. I almost OC'd the other day while doing a craigslist transaction at a park and ride because I got a wierd vibe form the guy (He was in a HUGE rush to meet, and would meet me anywhere). While I got to the spot before him I had my holster on ready to go then a few other people arrived so it was more than just me and him so I left the pistol in my jeep. I figured the possible tension me OC'ing would bring to the sale wasnt worth it.

As a note Im filing my CPL paper work tomorrow, but this really got me thinking.
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Old October 4th, 2009, 04:20 PM   #6
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This is where I was going with this. Is there a better way to educate than shock value. My fear would be the "one guy" Oc'ing walking down the street would do more damage by freaking people out than a group would at say, an OC picnic. I cant see your pic here at work but IF I do decice to OC one day i would feel very confident that with my serpa holster no one would be able to snatch it. I almost OC'd the other day while doing a craigslist transaction at a park and ride because I got a wierd vibe form the guy (He was in a HUGE rush to meet, and would meet me anywhere). While I got to the spot before him I had my holster on ready to go then a few other people arrived so it was more than just me and him so I left the pistol in my jeep. I figured the possible tension me OC'ing would bring to the sale wasnt worth it.

As a note Im filing my CPL paper work tomorrow, but this really got me thinking.

The pic is of a Blackhawk! SERPA locking duty holster.

$102.95 for my G20C though.
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A CPL will take 6 weeks once you pass your class and pay your court fees. But I guess if you need to carry, open carry, or not
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A CPL will take 6 weeks once you pass your class and pay your court fees. But I guess if you need to carry, open carry, or not
I realize it takes a while, Class is already done so all thats left is helping to decrease the budget deficit with fees
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The pic is of a Blackhawk! SERPA locking duty holster.

$102.95 for my G20C though.
Holster for my sig was $60.00. But it is locked in with a paddle lock at the trigger guard. It will not be pulled out to easily. Last thing is having somebody yank it out of the holster for you.
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I realize it takes a while, Class is already done so all thats left is helping to decrease the budget deficit with fees
Whats the total cost now? Last time I looked into it it was going to cost me ~$300 for the class ($150), ammo for the class ($50), and the application fee ($109). Is there anything else on top of that?
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Holster for my sig was $60.00. But it is locked in with a paddle lock at the trigger guard. It will not be pulled out to easily. Last thing is having somebody yank it out of the holster for you.
Same with the one Im looking at. But the G20C isnt a small gun, and it isnt very popular either. So I guess they need to make their R&D money back on it with higher prices.


EDIT: The one pictured is a level 3, not a level 2, so that might be a factor as well.

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I had $150 for the class, 100 rds for $30 and the fee is going to be $105... so youre right on depending on what ammo you shoot

edit: I could have done a cheaper class in muskegon but it was on a saturday, so the class would have cost me time out of work and equated to about $500. So I did the 2 day evening for $150 locally.
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I had $150 for the class, 100 rds for $30 and the fee is going to be $105... so youre right on depending on what ammo you shoot
At the time I was going to use a 9mm. But now it looks like Im going to have to use my 10mm. So I guess its $100 for 100 rounds now.


That is, unless, my gun club decides to keep doing their annual class with guns + ammo included.
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At the time I was going to use a 9mm. But now it looks like Im going to have to use my 10mm. So I guess its $100 for 100 rounds now.


That is, unless, my gun club decides to keep doing their annual class with guns + ammo included.
Ouch, Thats part of the reason I went with 9mm vs .40 cal.
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No need to guess anymore...Little hog leg.

Compensating for something else?
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Compensating for something else?
Poor ballistic qualities?
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Ouch, Thats part of the reason I went with 9mm vs .40 cal.
Not sure which is worse, the cost of ammo or not being able to find
Ammo(380) Can't find and got tired of looking. So maybe get another piece, that I can get ammo for, like 40cal or 45cal. Sig has the P250 with interchangable components from 357, 40 and 45cal. All in one at approx the cost of $300.00 each. But the first will set you back 6 bills
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Compensating for something else?
You never have to shoot them they die from a heart attack just looking at it.

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There's an open carry advocacy group, and they had an "event" in Monroe last year.

People carried open, uninformed people called the cops, who arrived and after some discussion cited the leader of the group (they were having breakfast in a small restaurant) with "creating a disturbance". The Monroe prosecutor is firearm and CPL-friendly (i.e. one of the first "shall issue" counties in MI) so the charges were dropped.

It highlights the biggest negative of open carry: wasted police time responding to panic calls from ill-informed people. It would start driving more restrictive gun laws in response to bad behavior on the part of uninformed people...
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There's an open carry advocacy group, and they had an "event" in Monroe last year.

People carried open, uninformed people called the cops, who arrived and after some discussion cited the leader of the group (they were having breakfast in a small restaurant) with "creating a disturbance". The Monroe prosecutor is firearm and CPL-friendly (i.e. one of the first "shall issue" counties in MI) so the charges were dropped.

It highlights the biggest negative of open carry: wasted police time responding to panic calls from ill-informed people. It would start driving more restrictive gun laws in response to bad behavior on the part of uninformed people...

Do you know exactly where they were? I live in monroe, and work for a division of the city. I know many of the business owners. I didnt hear about this.
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