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Old September 13th, 2009, 09:07 PM   #1
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What kind of rules, or who's do you like to run best? What is the most fair for everyone, or yourself? What makes you race at one place over another? Why do those of you that go to play bogg's that don't go to competitions? or the other way around?
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Old September 14th, 2009, 06:35 AM   #2
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Which rules do you like mikey? I think that we have to just decide now that there is getting to be more mud runs which style we want to run. The back yard runs are more fun but the moms are are well put togather and seem to run a little smoother and you basically know what your payback is going to be. Next year i plan to race more of the moms races if he has as many as he say's. Nice run Sunday Mikey!!
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Old September 14th, 2009, 09:01 AM   #3
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Great questions Mikey! I was going to answer them, but I'm not sure how. Think for now I'll just watch this thread. I hope everyone puts their thoughts in. As many of you know, I'm trying to help bring back the competition bogs (and keep the play bogs going!) at the Ice Carnival grounds in Albright Shores. What the drivers think and want is something anyone holding races or play bogs need to know.
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that's a tuff one some, someone like myself that puts on a mud run we try are best to keep things organized and try to keep inproving each year moms does a good job they have been doing what they do for a lot of years. it's hard to say what the best rules are we try to keep it inexpensive to come to are event so the hole family can come along and not brake the bank in order to do that you have to watch what you send on trophy equipment ect, if you start having to many classes the money needs to goes up . i try to keep the classes as fare as i can but you can't please every one all the time i run my classes on how many intries in that class for pay out and it seems to work well by us but may be not some where else so it's hard tosay what's better all i no it the more mud runs around the better for all wheather it's comp or free for all as long as safety comes first and organization comes second someone can put on a good mud run big,small backyard or full blown event there all a great time . i my self will keep trying to inpove dad's mud run until it's one the the best placed to run in michigan and with out the help from freinds and family that wouldn't happen .a run can only be as good as the people who help put it on where ever it may be . good luck to all as drivers and event holders.
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Which rules do you like mikey? I think that we have to just decide now that there is getting to be more mud runs which style we want to run. The back yard runs are more fun but the moms are are well put togather and seem to run a little smoother and you basically know what your payback is going to be. Next year i plan to race more of the moms races if he has as many as he say's. Nice run Sunday Mikey!!
Well I mostly like rules that favor my jeep to win. I am with you and Basil on liking organization and consistancy. I also think some places rules are just way too complicated. Set payback or % is fine...but don't ever think a racer is gonna be enthused about running for chump change. I also think trophies are a must. I like points series also. Another big topic of late has been cut tires, yay or nay???? My least favorite rules are: the ones that segregate light vehicles from heavy. What ever happend to run what brung and hope ya brung enough!
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We stopped running at Albright when they made major changes to the rules. The one that I really dont like or understand is why you have to have a complete working dash?? We would have to put a scatter shield on the tranny (that one is fine) and put a "dog house" over the rad that is mounted in the box of the truck (once again, I can deal with that) but the full working dash is never gonna happen.... We would love to get back into running but until the full working dash rule is taken away, we will just run play bogs..


We did run our xj in the street class at the Clare County Fair. The thing the p'ed me off with the people running the bog is they didn't check tire size.. We were in the 33 and under class and got beat by a guy running 36's... Only for a trophy but still..
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we stopped running at albright when they made major changes to the rules. The one that i really dont like or understand is why you have to have a complete working dash?? We would have to put a scatter shield on the tranny (that one is fine) and put a "dog house" over the rad that is mounted in the box of the truck (once again, i can deal with that) but the full working dash is never gonna happen.... We would love to get back into running but until the full working dash rule is taken away, we will just run play bogs..


We did run our xj in the street class at the clare county fair. The thing the p'ed me off with the people running the bog is they didn't check tire size.. We were in the 33 and under class and got beat by a guy running 36's... Only for a trophy but still..
yah.. Thats a moms run..street class is 36' and under
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No it wasn't moms it was concerned racers or something like that..
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I am warming up the the rule of run what you got. Besides that i think that our rules around here are ok if we start ruling them up nobody will show up. If you don't like the rules where there is a mud run DON'T go! Look at the Freemont Fair run, they didn't rule it up and look how much fun that was! Besides for the pit being a hill in the hole. But keep in mind that you can't take the saftey rules away. Without them well you know what could happen!
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We stopped running at Albright when they made major changes to the rules. The one that I really dont like or understand is why you have to have a complete working dash?? We would have to put a scatter shield on the tranny (that one is fine) and put a "dog house" over the rad that is mounted in the box of the truck (once again, I can deal with that) but the full working dash is never gonna happen.... We would love to get back into running but until the full working dash rule is taken away, we will just run play bogs..


We did run our xj in the street class at the Clare County Fair. The thing the p'ed me off with the people running the bog is they didn't check tire size.. We were in the 33 and under class and got beat by a guy running 36's... Only for a trophy but still..
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yah.. Thats a moms run..street class is 36' and under

Similar at Sand Lake this year............I had to run my XJ against an Alcohol burner in the street class.

I guess the biggest bummer for me, is that there is no chance to win in a streetable vehicle in the street class.
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Similar at Sand Lake this year............I had to run my XJ against an Alcohol burner in the street class.

I guess the biggest bummer for me, is that there is no chance to win in a streetable vehicle in the street class.
I hear you the bottom line is that street is street lights plates and NO gutting basically drove it in!
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Similar at Sand Lake this year............I had to run my XJ against an Alcohol burner in the street class.

I guess the biggest bummer for me, is that there is no chance to win in a streetable vehicle in the street class.
Thats just like at Harrison. Our friend has an all stock but lifted jeep, the only thing not jeep is that it has a chevy 4.3 instead of a jeep 4.0 and they made him run with the heavily modified rigs. I didn't think that was fair either..
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I hear what your saying Matt...I am a fan of tire classes and run what ya brung myself. It just seems to me we'll lose guys like careless that don't have a fair stock class.
My next statement would include my jeep too..there are also rigs that run in "pro street" type classes that are borderline. Some of things we run against now-a-days are 4-linked, coil overed, Proffesionally cut tires, racing wheels. Like I said I am by no means a victim. We will just lose racers because they are not compettitve. I hear a-lot of guys say they don't care, and the race for fun. For me I can-not grasp that concept, I do not like getting beat. I'll just not race case and point 2010 I only went 6 times.
Look at moms rules..great safety and fair but zero participants. I've raced with them for twenty years and still like it, but I can't remember when they filled up a class w/25 trucks? It just seems to me simple is better. Factory Street class>Pro street w/33,36,40,44>Super(4link,stripped & gutted,cuts) w/ 36, 44>Open class no performance limiting Rules.
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I hear what your saying Matt...I am a fan of tire classes and run what ya brung myself. It just seems to me we'll lose guys like careless that don't have a fair stock class.
My next statement would include my jeep too..there are also rigs that run in "pro street" type classes that are borderline. Some of things we run against now-a-days are 4-linked, coil overed, Proffesionally cut tires, racing wheels. Like I said I am by no means a victim. We will just lose racers because they are not compettitve. I hear a-lot of guys say they don't care, and the race for fun. For me I can-not grasp that concept, I do not like getting beat. I'll just not race case and point 2010 I only went 6 times.
Look at moms rules..great safety and fair but zero participants. I've raced with them for twenty years and still like it, but I can't remember when they filled up a class w/25 trucks? It just seems to me simple is better. Factory Street class>Pro street w/33,36,40,44>Super(4link,stripped & gutted,cuts) w/ 36, 44>Open class no performance limiting Rules.
That would be good so then i could run in the pro street without cuts and the super with.
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5 class's
1) Stock no headers, no gutting, complete streetable vechicle. no nitrous, no blowers etc.
2)33" and down DOT
3) 35" and down but must have at least 2 35" tires
4) 38" " " " " " " 2 38" tires
5) 44" " " " " " " 44" tires
No cuts
No 4 link
No alcohal
No coil overs
No aftermarket transfer cases
No fiberglass racing bodies
Any motor
Any tranmission
Maybe 2 class's in here with cut tires only same rules as above 36" down and 44" down

6) Open anything goes
This is pretty much the way it was a long time ago and maybe it is time to go back that direction. Just my humble opinion off course.
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This is definitly a tough subject. I also felt the heat from a few of these topics throughout the year.. Personally I think rules suck Too many rules make things difficult.. Creating more classes is not really the answer either. But at the same time we do need to try to keep things fair for everyone. Otherwise we will find ourselves with no where to run. I also think that a lot of people are taking things way too seriously, and forgetting what we are all there for in the first place. TO HAVE FUN! I didn't build a new truck this season to kick ass. I did it for the rush. And too fast is still never enough right? So where do you draw the line. A guy like me with a small block can't run nitrous in a class, but if I go to moms I have to run my small block up against big blocks with twice the power I have just because I have aluminum heads.. If you ask me what is one rule that I dissagree with it is this. I would consider more moms runs if this rule was not in place. If you can't afford a twenty to thirty thousand dollar engine, why cant we run nitrous.. Or why do aluminum heads bump you when everyone knows that cast iron and aluminum are equal when it comes to power.. I am not looking to run nitrous all of the time, only stating that no matter who you are, and no matter how fast you run, there is always something to bitch about...Guys complain about things that they think will personally benefit them, right? So who is right and who is wrong... So I know that we need to come up with a way to keep things fair. But how is the question. If cut tires become an issue, the guys who have cut their tires because they cannot afford new tires will be screwed.. Four link is definitly questionable... Ok, enough for now.. But I want everyone to remember that we are all out there to have fun, and enjoy being around the group of people thats there in the first place.. Lets keep this rolling!
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I have ran a few comp bogs. I would look at the rules from other places and go from there. Here are the 3 that I know still put them on. TAMR may be having some changes or additions pending but as for the others I don't know about them.

http://www.thumbareamudrunners.com/Rules.html

http://www.concernedracersclub.com/2...Bog%20Rulz.pdf

http://www.momsmotorsports.com/Mud_Racing_Rules.html
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"Strokedinthemud" I agree with you on the aluminum head thing. Cut tires really were never allowed in any class but open til the last couple years. At least not full blown racing cuts. The guys with wore out tires that were cut always had that issue with cuts. They were basicilly never allowed but some times were voted on the day of the race to see if they could run. Personally I do not care what size motor is run. 1400HP has to get to the ground and with no linked suspension or cut tires that becomes much more difficult. I have no problem with running my 350HP sbc chevy against them if everything else is somewhat equal.
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The big thing is that every place has different rules or tire sizes...makes it hard to build a truck to run at different places.
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