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Old June 28th, 2006, 10:47 AM   #21
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Of course... because animals are way more important than people....
Honestly, you are being all high and mighty with your beliefs. There are programs out there which provide food to beggars. I have seen plenty of homeless people and they arent starving. There is plenty of food available. Why are the homeless out on the streets? They could be in a shelter. In a shelter they have to follow the rules, and they don't want to do that. If you give money to a beggar, your money is going to support their drug or alcohol habit. You can try to sugar coat it live in your fantasy happy helping homeless people land but you are only making the problem worse by encouraging the behavior. My mother's sister is out there on the streets of ann arbor, and I wouldnt give her a dime if I saw her. I might offer her some food, or some clothes.
Also about domesticated animals, humans domesticated animals and now we are responsible for caring for them. At least I know a homeless animal isnt going to spending my money on drugs and alcohol.
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Old June 28th, 2006, 11:01 AM   #23
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He might give away more then you make in one year. Just because your jelous of his CJ8, vette and nice home doesn't give you the right to condem him for doing the right thing. And him knowing the bible is all the better.


My wife lives in Chicago and you wouldn't not belive that amount of homless people there. Most are just crazy and there are a few with dissabilities. What I don't understand about homeless people is why they choose to live in cold climate areas. If I had all that time on my hands I would start walking south since I know that there is a winter every single year. Spending my winter in FL or a warm climate would be much nicer then freezin my ass off in MI.

I came out of pizza populas(sp) once and gave half a pizza to a homless guy and you would have thought it was christmas. I try to give them food everytime we leave a resturante in the city. I don't think they should be given money since I feel that most of them drink it away but helping is always a good thing.
Good for him if he does. Read the quote again. He still has despite if and what he gives sooooooooooo, he should still give because there are still plenty that need. We should give away everything to those that need not matter what they need for, no matter what put them in the situation to beg.

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Old June 28th, 2006, 11:03 AM   #24
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When i use to work at the livonia Italian Bakery we would throw out hundrads of pounds of pizza rolls, cinnamon rolls, crasants, bread, and other stuff.... one day i asked why they don't donate the the food to help out the less fortunate. I was told they can't do it because of the lyability issues.... if someone were to get very ille from eating somthing that went bad they could sue the bakery.
Same thing with why stores don't give away the items that are approaching expiration.

Frankly liability is the biggest risk in this nation these days.
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Old June 28th, 2006, 04:38 PM   #25
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Proverbs 31:6-7

Give beer to those who are perishing,
wine to those who are in anguish;
let them drink and forget their poverty
and remember their misery no more.


We are not judged by what the person chooses to do with our money, rather we are judged by faithfully and consistently giving to those who are in need. I know that half of the bums that I give money to are buying booze with it.

Its the duty of those who HAVE to provide for those who HAVE NOT.

That is the biggest pile of bullshit ever. These people just want a free handout. I work hard for what little I have. Half the time we are barely ahead of our bills. Last thing I am going to do is give it to some lazy ass that wont even try to work for it.
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Old June 28th, 2006, 04:42 PM   #26
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Of course... because animals are way more important than people....

Yes. Animals cant fend for themselves in the city. People can. There are programs that are in place to help homeless/ bums/ whatever you want to call them.

Maybe instead of getting a dog from the rescue I will get a bum. I'll make him a nice little kenne outside and get him a nice new dog house with a swinging door. A food bowl with his name on it and a shock collar so he doesnt run away. If I have to pay to get him his shots I dont want to find out he runs away.
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Old June 28th, 2006, 04:46 PM   #27
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If you give money to a beggar, your money is going to support their drug or alcohol habit. You can try to sugar coat it live in your fantasy happy helping homeless people land but you are only making the problem worse by encouraging the behavior.

Ding ding ding. We have a winner.
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Old June 28th, 2006, 05:36 PM   #28
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I had a uncle who was one.

He often had a backup place to live in bad weather ( a nasty daily/weekly rental) but not always in summer.

He had mental / emotional "issues". He was gassed and bayoneted in WW1 and was never quite right again. He got some money from the government, so he didn't beg or take money - but he did (as he put it) "camp out".

My observations working in downtown D-town are that the bums look like:

30% mental cases (building talkers, mumblers, and the semi-catatonic...)
65% self-inflicted (burnt-out drunks & druggies)
5% lazy scammers (not necessarily that they're making $60K a year, just that they have "reduced expectations" and are comfortable with them.
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Old June 28th, 2006, 09:07 PM   #29
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Animals can and will fend for themselves. They will not beg, nor do they need to. If you want starving dogs to fend for themselves then you do not have children. The dogs will surely eat the children, and the old people, and the homeless really. Anyone not able to fend for themselves. Remember animals are animals.

People too can fend for themselves, tho the homeless often chose not to. Spew more bible verses, but until you sell that scrambler, the vette, and the house and give that money to the homeless than you are no different than we, except you are merely fooling yourself by not following what you preach.
Hey DOUCHE BAG. Do you know me? Have you met me? How do you know how much money I give away? I give away a much larger percentage of my income than most people do. I have bought toys, yes, but I make alot of money.

I give away more than enough of my money because I feel a moral obligation to help the poor. Do NOT call me out on such an issue.

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Old June 28th, 2006, 09:17 PM   #30
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Good for him if he does. Read the quote again. He still has despite if and what he gives sooooooooooo, he should still give because there are still plenty that need. We should give away everything to those that need not matter what they need for, no matter what put them in the situation to beg.

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There is nothing worng with Having things, nor is there anything wrong with having nothing.

I'll put it another way for you, it is the obligation of those who can help to reach out to those who are to weak to help themselves.

When was the last time you took a homeless dude out to dinner and sat and talked with him for a few hours (many of them have no one to care about them)? when was the last time you went to a soup kitchen to help out? When was the last time you went into a prison or Juevenille detention and spent time with prisoners? When was the last time that you went to a hospital or retirement home to spend time with the elderly? These are things that I and my church do through out the month

Think about it for a second. To better society, we need people to serve each other. You can either impact your town, city and world, or you can do nothing and have no lasting legacy whatsoever.
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Old June 28th, 2006, 09:32 PM   #31
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I'll put it another way for you, it is the obligation of those who can help to reach out to those who are to weak to help themselves.

Why? I take care of myself and my family. Nobody helps me.

When was the last time you took a homeless dude out to dinner and sat and talked with him for a few hours (many of them have no one to care about them)? when was the last time you went to a soup kitchen to help out? When was the last time you went into a prison or Juevenille detention and spent time with prisoners? These are things that I and my church do through out the month

Never. So I guess you think you are better than everyone else. Why would I want to spend time with prisoners? They are in there because they committed a crime. It isnt picnic time with an inmate.

To better society, we need people to serve each other. You can either impact your town, city and world, or you can do nothing and have no lasting legacy whatsoever.
This I would agree to some extant.
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Old June 28th, 2006, 09:34 PM   #32
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He might give away more then you make in one year. Just because your jelous of his CJ8, vette and nice home doesn't give you the right to condem him for doing the right thing. And him knowing the bible is all the better.


My wife lives in Chicago and you wouldn't not belive that amount of homless people there. Most are just crazy and there are a few with dissabilities. What I don't understand about homeless people is why they choose to live in cold climate areas. If I had all that time on my hands I would start walking south since I know that there is a winter every single year. Spending my winter in FL or a warm climate would be much nicer then freezin my ass off in MI.

I came out of pizza populas(sp) once and gave half a pizza to a homless guy and you would have thought it was christmas. I try to give them food everytime we leave a resturante in the city. I don't think they should be given money since I feel that most of them drink it away but helping is always a good thing.

i can agree with you the warm weather thing i often wondered that since i was 5 and knew what bums were. I knew johnny apple seed walked all over and asked why bums dont walk to forida or texas. I would be a bum with a lil camp and fruit garden in the woods living like the dirtiest hippie in th world.

I think they really are so lazy they dont even think more than a day in advance. Even if you just walked 3 miles per day you would make it to warm weather in less than a year. They call 'em bums for a reason. Again its the homeless kids that break my heart.

The shelters should have birth control pills ground up in the food for the women .... seriously breaks my heart to see some crazy lady thinking she is gonna raise a kid in a shelter or abandoned car etc

Lastly on a class trip in 8th grade my middle school always goes to washington dc for 3-4 days. On the steps of the capital building was a old WWII vetern in coveralls with a sign. He was an old black guy looking like fred sanford. Anyways he had so much donations he had a welcome mat to hold all the money down (bills tucked under the sides) and a pile of change that had to be a couple hundred bucks.

I dont know how he could keep begging with all that money there (i mean how do you convince people to give you change when you already have upwards of $400???). One of the guards told me the old vetern had a late model mercedes benz. Shame and guilt are very powerful i guess. I didnt feel bad for him he was old and could walk and sit up and was easily making $400-$500 per day sitting there.

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Old June 28th, 2006, 09:51 PM   #33
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It's funny how quick the name calling starts!:stan3:
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Old June 28th, 2006, 10:02 PM   #34
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It's funny how quick the name calling starts!:stan3:
And even funnier that it would seem that the one who's quoting bible verses started it.
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Old June 28th, 2006, 10:12 PM   #35
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I'm all for hepling people who are down on thier luck, but I don't care about people that don't care about themselves. If someone just needs a little help ot get through a rough point in thier life I have no problem helping. But if standing on a corner asking for money is all you can think to od then it's not my problem.
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If I take my hard earned dollars, (and there aren't that many of them), and put them into the hands of someone who drives a nicer car then me, then what have I accomplished? Nothing, other than the fact that I just ensured the fact that the person sitting there begging has a solid future doing so, and making a good living at it. If we continue to hand out money to these kinds of people, we are not solving the problem, we are instigating it. Hell, I know if I sat down on my dead ass, looking miserable, but am not any differnt than I am right now, and people started giving me money, I'd do nothig other than buy beer, car parts, toys, and useless shit. Why? Cuz' it's essentailly free! Hell yeah! Free money, who can't dig that? I'm not saying there aren't people out there who couldn't use it, I KNOW there are, but if you are poor in America, land of free government money anywhere you look, it's because you choose to be. (I'm not in anyway touching the subjuct of poor/homeless children or mothers here, just adults)
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And even funnier that it would seem that the one who's quoting bible verses started it.
You're right. Apologies Duece228.

Got a little too fired up.
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And even funnier that it would seem that the one who's quoting bible verses started it.
Obviously Bruce, you are not up on your bible :miff:
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I give a lot of money annually to charity. I think that giving money to support causes is a good thing. I even donate a lot to the salvation army. I lived in Detroit when I went to Wayne state and I did some outreach volunteering, and what turned me so bitter against both the homeless and the welfare programs was seeing the abuse of the system. The homeless have plenty of soup kitchens and shelters if they would use them. The homeless would have their lunch at the soup kitchen and then go on campus to beg from the suckers so they could afford drugs or alcohol.
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Hey DOUCHE BAG. Do you know me? Have you met me? How do you know how much money I give away? I give away a much larger percentage of my income than most people do. I have bought toys, yes, but I make alot of money.

I give away more than enough of my money because I feel a moral obligation to help the poor. Do NOT call me out on such an issue.
Listen , I didn't call you out, I simply used you as an example for YOUR own quote. Relax and think about the verse you listed. The way that reads you should always give until you don't have. I could care less what you make or don't make, what you give or don't give. It was merely a point. SO don't go overboard and get all ethugish:miff:

Edit: Seen appology, no prob.

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