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Old August 30th, 2009, 08:45 PM   #61
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Old September 4th, 2009, 12:04 AM   #62
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Wow, I get my own thread all about me, not too bad

I decided to just build the thing and see how it works. As you guys clearly already know, I have done a shit load of work on my truck including the Hemi swap. No I didnt plan doing that in a weekend, I had 17 days to do it and it only took longer because the guy who made my wiring harness didnt know what the hell he was doing. But that motor has a shit load of power and I have been hammering on it and the suspension has not missed a beat. Like I said before, I had some other rear springs that were going in and they already are, I did that a few days ago. The suspension cannot have a track bar, I know, I built one. It was a brutal ride with the leaf springs trying to keep themselves straight and the track bar moving in an arc. It just cannot use one.

About the welds, I know they are not good, but I think everyone focuses on this one


The vertical weld there is only holding 1/8 plate to the upper brackets, someone please tell me why it had to be anything more than what I did. I know this thing will hold. I said I should have cleaned the welds up so that you can see that the ones on the axle housing are actually a lot better. They are not pretty, but they are strong. If you really think I dont know how to weld, here...


Its not perfect, but its damn strong, that is 2 passes

I dont care what any of you think about what I have built, I dont think I have not even met any of you guys anyway. but I have done every single weld on my truck and it has done 40,000+ miles since I started cutting it up. I have never had a weld break of a part that I have built fail, including


I know, they are ugly as shit


Hemi motor mount


I dont have a recent pic of the entire truck or Id post that up to so you can all run away when I drive thru, Id advise all of you to stay off of 75 tomorrow then since Id headed north to stretch the trucks legs. Ill be taking pics and video and I promise that if something breaks, Ill show everyone.

So, to sum this all up, I wanted to build something I came up with and that wasnt just another 3 link or something, I dont give a shit what you think of my design or the welds, the springs are not doing anything that they were not already doing with the conventional setup and if you really want to see how well it actually works, try to catch me on the streets or check out the pics and video's Ill bring home monday

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Old September 4th, 2009, 12:17 AM   #63
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the weld that you posted thats "double pass" looks like ass. if thats the weld that you are going to use to show us that you know how, then i think you need glass's those welds are scary as hell. you dont know how to weld. what makes you think those are good welds? why is the does the motor mount look like its more then 1 peice welded togather to get the hight needed?

just cause you can buy a welder dont mean that you should use it.

also you coil over mount will bend and twist since there is no support there. that is if the weld doesnt just snap in half and fall off first.

this whole build is just scary. if you need someone to weld it all togather for you please let me know. id feel much better knowing that it was done right and on the roads by my family and im sure many others would be willing to help weld it all togather and know that their family in the area is safe from that horrid peice of shit.

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Old September 4th, 2009, 12:49 AM   #64
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The motor mount has a piece of 2.0 1/4 wall DOM in between all the plate. I stuck that together then surrounded it with 3/16 plate, the piece on the top I wanted to overlap a little

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Old September 4th, 2009, 12:51 AM   #65
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that thing is scary man. how old are you? do you have a family?
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Old September 4th, 2009, 12:59 AM   #66
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22 and not one of my own

I know there is no hope of convincing any one of you any different, but its not a piece of shit. Like I said, nothing I have ever built has failed
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Old September 4th, 2009, 01:06 AM   #67
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well all im saying is take a welding class


how do you know they are strong?
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Old September 4th, 2009, 01:17 AM   #68
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How do you know all my welds are not from only seeing a couple crappy pictures of them?
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Old September 4th, 2009, 01:22 AM   #69
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Old September 4th, 2009, 01:24 AM   #70
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ive seen alot of good and alot more bad welds. i went through welding school. take a class man it will do you wonders. do you see any penetration there at all. i dont. i see a bunch of cobbled up mess.
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Old September 4th, 2009, 01:39 AM   #71
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Thats why I said I should have cleaned em off to show better. That tan dust (im not sure what the name for it is) covers most of the welds and you can only see a tiny bit that doesnt tell you anything. I think everyone got freaked out by that vertical weld on that 1/8 plate that is only there to stabilize the two brackets together.

The weld I showed in the 2nd pic is more close up and I know its not pretty, but that is about 3/4 tall and it did sink into the metal. Looking at it rite now, you are rite, it doesnt look like it got any penetration, but seeing it for yourself would tell a different story. Not to mention that I got both sides like that and the metal is blue about 1.5 inches away(thats a 5/8 bolt for reference). But again you are rite, I have never taken a welding class. I will look into one. I have only learned by sticking every piece of steel I could find for about a year to get used to it, but I dont have a stick welder, I have a mig
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Old September 4th, 2009, 01:43 AM   #72
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I still dont get it ?? how does it work?? I guess i need to see an overall pic of the set up here.. From what i've gathered reading it,
You got the leaf springs in stock form in their stock location from there you made this thing that clamps the leafs and has a bushing "welded" under it..(FYI those rolled steel rods you have put in there aren't gonna hold up) THEN you got the axle mounted on that pivot so it can sway like a pendulum but to control you have lower link arms.. So basically you have an over exaggerated leaf spring/Anti wrap bar set up ??

Did i get it ??



and i hate to beat the already SLAUGHTERED horse but these welds do no good..




There's no penetration look at the heat markings.. it's barely there..

Congrats that it's held together for you this long.. but that thing is literally a ticking time bomb waiting to blow and take out a mini van full of children.. Do us and yourself a BIG Favor have someone help you do a proper 4 link on that rear end... Before you become everyone's favorite duchebag like some other exocaged teddy bear well all knew so well !

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Just threw this together for you, hope it helps because I never got a decent pic of the whole setup showing it, it was always too dark by the time I would get finished. The axle hangs down from the flex joint that is bolted to the leaf spring. It can pivot back and forth on that joint, the only thing controlling it is the 2 lower links that you see in the drawing

You got it, my theory is that it will eliminate spring wrap because the axle bracket moved that bolt up 4/25 inches from the top of the axle. This also does not interfere with flex at all. When you take off, the axle wants to rotate the pinion upward and wrap the spring. With my rear, it tried to pull the bolt in the flex joint backwards and pull on a straight leaf spring. The only way it could cause wrap is that the flex joint and plate have the bolt about 2 inches below the spring. That is still better than having the axle bolted to the springs because the center of the axle tubes are about 3 inches below. Couple that fact with the brackets that have the bolt about 6 inches about the axle center line and the torque that would normally wrap a spring is greatly diminished.

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that is mig welding. please do me a favor and draw me a diagram of how you are holding the gun with angles. whats your wire speed and flow rate. how many amps? 110 or 220?
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Old September 4th, 2009, 02:32 AM   #75
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Just threw this together for you, hope it helps because I never got a decent pic of the whole setup showing it, it was always too dark by the time I would get finished. The axle hangs down from the flex joint that is bolted to the leaf spring. It can pivot back and forth on that joint, the only thing controlling it is the 2 lower links that you see in the drawing

You got it, my theory is that it will eliminate spring wrap because the axle bracket moved that bolt up 4/25 inches from the top of the axle. This also does not interfere with flex at all. When you take off, the axle wants to rotate the pinion upward and wrap the spring. With my rear, it tried to pull the bolt in the flex joint backwards and pull on a straight leaf spring. The only way it could cause wrap is that the flex joint and plate have the bolt about 2 inches below the spring. That is still better than having the axle bolted to the springs because the center of the axle tubes are about 3 inches below. Couple that fact with the brackets that have the bolt about 6 inches about the axle center line and the torque that would normally wrap a spring is greatly diminished.


your whole thought process is wrong. i understand the attemp that you are trying to accomplish here. but its not going to work. the only way the flex joint will work is if the axle will flex. it wont. the way that you have the suspension set up the flex joint is just wasted there. it will not have any way to articulate since the springs one be able to work cause of the half ass link set up.


it was a complete waste of 90 bucks for the flex joints.

im not trying to be an ass but you fail. do not attempt to fab anything else. from not one stick to having someone else build it for you.
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your whole thought process is wrong. i understand the attemp that you are trying to accomplish here. but its not going to work. the only way the flex joint will work is if the axle will flex. it wont. the way that you have the suspension set up the flex joint is just wasted there. it will not have any way to articulate since the springs one be able to work cause of the half ass link set up.


it was a complete waste of 90 bucks for the flex joints.

im not trying to be an ass but you fail. do not attempt to fab anything else. from not one stick to having someone else build it for you.
Jesus christ, . We get it, you're a master fabricator and licensed engineer. But you still cant seem to grasp the concept. Maybe if you'd have read that pirate thread, you would have seen the link to a ranger build that did the same thing.

Ranger with the same setup.

Page 4. Looks like it works to me. I would never use it, nor would I EVER put it on the street - at all - But it does work. Without some high quality leaf spring bushings, its likely those will be gone in no time.
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im not saying that im anywhere near perfect and i learn everyday. i am constinaly looking and reading and learning about how things are set up to work properly. this set up is dangerous and very scary looking. the welding is down right horrible and scary to see any sort of road driving rather its around the block or out of the drive it. it will break. i did read the pirate thread.

personaly if i was wanting to get more flex out of the leaf springs i would of put the flex joints in the spring instead of the bushings. thats alot better set up. why not a revolver shackle?

as for the concept i do understand what hes trying to accomplish here but its not working.


the only thing that i different about the 2 designs is that the on the ranger is alot more triangulated, alot more thought and the guy has a hott ass girl friend.

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22 and not one of my own

I know there is no hope of convincing any one of you any different, but its not a piece of shit. Like I said, nothing I have ever built has failed YET
Fixed it for ya.

You’re young, invincible and all knowing. We get that, we’ve been there. Now take a minute to look at the big picture.

Do you understand such things as metal fatigue, heat affected zone, yield and tensile strength? Do you calculate the strength of the materials and weldments you use to be sure they are strong enough for the job? Do you understand suspension dynamics and can you accurately predict how the suspension modifications will effect the vehicle handling under all conditions, especially during emergency maneuvers? Do you rigorously test the strength and function of your designs to insure they are safe before hitting public streets?

Point is you are just guessing and hoping for the best. For a trail rig that NEVER sees public streets, where if it breaks you only hurt your rig and/or yourself, that is your choice.....have at it. For the street where you may take out innocent bystanders with you, you are rolling the dice with other peoples’ lives. God forbid you hurt someone else with your homemade tribute to the Darwin Awards, but if you do the victim’s lawyer would have a field day on your ass.

What seems like a fun game fabricating your own suspension could wind up destroying your life. Give that some thought.
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22 and not one of my own

I know there is no hope of convincing any one of you any different, but its not a piece of shit. Like I said, nothing I have ever built has failed

hey need a job? i have a company that sells dirty queen vac's

just give me the name, address's, and creditcard info of 10 friends and family i will give you a digital camera
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Ok. Well i dont know how to break this to you kid. Your welds suck ass. ive been a certificated welder for 10 years,with multiple certs, including Nuke certs. PLEASE dont drive that on the road. If something fails on it and you kill someone their family will sue you and your family for everything you guys have. I have made bad welds. We all have. It happens. You got to take some advice here. PLEASE listen to someone.
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