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Old August 24th, 2009, 10:58 PM   #1
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The "609" and why.

I will be searching after I post this.

What are the benefits of this hybrid axle?

Any links you can steer me to as to the benefits and hopefully a buildup?
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Old August 24th, 2009, 11:03 PM   #2
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The "609" and why.

I will be searching after I post this.

What are the benefits of this hybrid axle?

Any links you can steer me to as to the benefits and hopefully a buildup?
Pros: light weight & very strong

Cons: Expensive!

Monkeyevil on here is building one
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Old August 24th, 2009, 11:18 PM   #5
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is that an oil cap for the fill plug?
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no its not. they sell plugs like that for the diamond housing to make it easier to full and bling factor.
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So it consists of a

9" center section

HP60 C's and knuckles, etc.

New tubes




Does it use a stock 9" third? Or what?
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Old August 24th, 2009, 11:26 PM   #9
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Yep, 35 spline 9" third with d60 inner shafts.

Custom inner 60 shafts without the larger OD seal shaft are required.
Or cut down OEM 60 shafts polished for a seal.

Technically you could run a 31 spline 9" third with custom 60 shafts... but that would be silly.

My main motivation was strength without loosing ground clearance. The weight is just a bonus.

This was my front d44.


This is the shaved 9" center.
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Been finding alot of info on Pirate.

And thanks for the replies. I learned something new today.


How much stronger is the 9" compared to the D60? The weight has to be a big advantage too?
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Old August 25th, 2009, 12:08 AM   #12
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Been finding alot of info on Pirate.

And thanks for the replies. I learned something new today.


How much stronger is the 9" compared to the D60? The weight has to be a big advantage too?
It all depends.... A 60 is pretty dumb proof put it in close your eyes and go

A ford hi pin is pretty tough to beat for the money.

a 609 is way cool and $$$$ if you are trying to make the same strength as a 60.

But if you want good ground clearance and are not going to run huge heavy tiers you could play some games with te 9" to save a little money to get started.
I have not built one my self such as Monkey has but I bet he will love it.
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Been finding alot of info on Pirate.

And thanks for the replies. I learned something new today.


How much stronger is the 9" compared to the D60? The weight has to be a big advantage too?
A standard 9" ring and pinion is arguably weaker overall than a d60 ring and pinion. I think the way the teeth are cut in the 9" makes the actual teeth stronger, and the 3 bearings on the 9" pinion mean with a strong housing there is less gear deflection.

This can be combatted with running a strong aftermarket third member in the low pinion configuration, or running True-Hi 9's beefy high pinion third which includes a set of very strong gears.
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monkey if you dont mind what kinda money do you have into one with a break down if you can do all your own welding
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What rear axles compliments the 609? For ground clearance and strength?
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Who cares, I will make more tomorrow.
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Old August 25th, 2009, 12:33 AM   #17
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What rear axles compliments the 609? For ground clearance and strength?
the usual 14 shaved seems to come to mind with a 5 lug pattern or the 8 if you perfer? id run 8 lugs all around but it seems pretty common most guys that run the 609 like to be a little different and run the 5 lug pattern
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Old August 25th, 2009, 12:35 AM   #18
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Who cares, I will make more tomorrow.
i say the same thing but i always get dirty looks or hit from the lady. so since we on the subject sell my the tj back for next to nothing it wont be that big of hit you will make the rest back next week.
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Old August 25th, 2009, 01:42 AM   #19
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I run a 35 spline semi float 9".
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Old August 25th, 2009, 01:51 AM   #20
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monkey if you dont mind what kinda money do you have into one with a break down if you can do all your own welding
I made some stuff, waited for deals, and got some stuff on trades for parts and product, but I can quote retail guess on stuff.

9" housing $50
Chevy d60 inner knuckles, outers, spindles, & hubs $400
Superior 35 spline inners $450
Superior 35 spline outers $450
Stock Spicer 60 joints $100
Strange third $225
Detroit Locker $475
9" Gears $125
9" Install kit $100
Aluminum pinion support (Daytona) $100
Inner axle seals $60
DOM tube for housing $75
Kingpin rebuild kits $150
Wheel bearings & seals $125
Drive flanges $200
Rotors $75
Calipers $40
Pads $20
Turn down hubs for 6 on 5.5 $40
Brake brackets $75
High steer arms $200
Inspection cap $25
Wheel studs $30

$3590 estimate I guess...
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