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Old August 17th, 2009, 07:46 AM   #1
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August 12, 2009

Stop the Revolving Door
by Charles R. Swindoll

2 Chronicles 7:13-15

The history of great civilizations reminds me of a giant revolving door. It turns on the axis of human depravity as its movement is marked by the perimeter of time. With monotonous repetition each civilization has completed the same cycle, having passed through a similar sequence of events. One man summarized it like this:

From bondage to spiritual faith
From spiritual faith to great courage
From great courage to strength
From strength to liberty
From liberty to abundance
From abundance to leisure
From leisure to selfishness
From selfishness to complacency
From complacency to apathy
From apathy to dependency
From dependency to weakness
From weakness back to bondage

Whether Roman or Athenian empires . . . Egyptian or European cultures, the chronicle tells its own tale. Regardless of geography, origin, achievements, or level of prosperity, each one has sunk deeply into the vortex of ruin.

Consider Babylon. It can hardly be found today. It is nothing more than a lonely whistle stop along the Baghdad railroad. Its beauty and significance now lie buried beneath tons of dirt, rocks, and debris in a forlorn and forgotten land. How she has fallen!

Israel can also teach us the same lesson. Inquire at the gate called Judges. That place reaffirms the truth of humanity's cyclical habit. Time after time---for over three hundred years---the Jews went through the succession of events mentioned above. Like pawns on a chessboard, they lived under the bondage of superior powers until God gave them a deliverer, who fired the furnace of spiritual fervor . . . which inflamed their courage . . . which kindled military strength . . . then liberty . . . then abundance . . . then leisure---and then right back down the tube again into bondage. The age-old path of that same revolving door has etched itself upon the tablet of Israel's antiquity.

It was about two hundred years ago, while the thirteen colonies were still part of Great Britain, that Professor Alexander Tyler [sometimes referred to as Alexander Fraser Tytler] addressed himself to the fall of the Athenian Republic. He declared:

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves excessive gratuities from the public treasury. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the treasury, with the result that a democracy collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.

It's a stunning fact of history that the average age of the world's great civilizations has been approximately two hundred years. According to that reckoning, America may be living on borrowed time. The age-old revolving door is turning and we are---as I see it---somewhere between apathy and dependency on the historical cycle. It doesn't take a meteorologist to predict rain if the sky is black and drops are starting to fall. Neither does it take a prophet to predict future bondage if we are now a majority of apathetic and dependent people!

Hope for our great nation rests upon independent thinking and individual effort. The revival of discipline, integrity, work, determination, and healthy pride is not a national matter but a personal one. Inward change and godliness are not legislated by Congress---they are spawned in the heart and cultivated in the home before they are bred in the land. Frankly---it boils down to one person, you.

A revolving door has to be pushed by those within it. When we stop pushing, it will stop turning . . . but not until.
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Liberals won't read that because it describes them to a tee.
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I agree with the post 100% We have a President who lacks national pride to the point that he will not salute the flag. He looks down on this great nation yet relies on it for his success. I feel that Obama has a personal agenda that is not in the best interest of this Country. I also feel that he may try to fill the roll of "Dictator" should things go really sour.
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August 12, 2009

Stop the Revolving Door
by Charles R. Swindoll

2 Chronicles 7:13-15

The history of great civilizations reminds me of a giant revolving door. It turns on the axis of human depravity as its movement is marked by the perimeter of time. With monotonous repetition each civilization has completed the same cycle, having passed through a similar sequence of events. One man summarized it like this:

From bondage to spiritual faith
From spiritual faith to great courage
From great courage to strength
From strength to liberty
From liberty to abundance
From abundance to leisure
From leisure to selfishness
From selfishness to complacency
From complacency to apathy
From apathy to dependency
From dependency to weakness
From weakness back to bondage

I like this. Very well stated.



A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves excessive gratuities from the public treasury. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the treasury, with the result that a democracy collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. So are you showing us this because you are opposed to democracy?

It's a stunning fact of history that the average age of the world's great civilizations has been approximately two hundred years. Where did you get that from? China? Rome? According to that reckoning, America may be living on borrowed time. The age-old revolving door is turning and we are---as I see it---somewhere between apathy and dependency on the historical cycle. It doesn't take a meteorologist to predict rain if the sky is black and drops are starting to fall. Neither does it take a prophet to predict future bondage if we are now a majority of apathetic and dependent people! I agree with that, which is why I'm politically active and Toes just sits on GL4x4 insulting people.

Hope for our great nation rests upon independent thinking and individual effort. Yup! Progressive thinking, rather than buying in to old teachings just because they're old. The revival of discipline, integrity, work, determination, and healthy pride is not a national matter but a personal one. Inward change and godliness are not legislated by Congress---they are spawned in the heart and cultivated in the home before they are bred in the land. Frankly---it boils down to one person, you.

A revolving door has to be pushed by those within it. When we stop pushing, it will stop turning . . . but not until.
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I agree with the post 100% We have a President who lacks national pride to the point that he will not salute the flag. He looks down on this great nation yet relies on it for his success. I feel that Obama has a personal agenda that is not in the best interest of this Country. I also feel that he may try to fill the roll of "Dictator" should things go really sour.
He salutes the flag all the time. That one and only incident to which you base your blown-out statement was shown to be a quick snippet of time.
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I also feel that he may try to fill the roll of "Dictator" should things go really sour.
Wait a minute. Don't you know your history? Here's an excerpt of one of MANY available news articles on what Bush did, and by doing so could LEGALLY use it against GL4X4 for allowing antigovernment discussion (especially when steveo used a picture of the barrel of his gun to show how he would handle the government):

In a stealth maneuver, President Bush has signed into law a provision which, according to Senator Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont), will actually encourage the President to declare federal martial law (1). It does so by revising the Insurrection Act, a set of laws that limits the President's ability to deploy troops within the United States. The Insurrection Act (10 U.S.C.331 -335) has historically, along with the Posse Comitatus Act (18 U.S.C.1385), helped to enforce strict prohibitions on military involvement in domestic law enforcement. With one cloaked swipe of his pen, Bush is seeking to undo those prohibitions.

Public Law 109-364, or the "John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007" (H.R.5122) (2), which was signed by the commander in chief on October 17th, 2006, in a private Oval Office ceremony, allows the President to declare a "public emergency" and station troops anywhere in America and take control of state-based National Guard units without the consent of the governor or local authorities, in order to "suppress public disorder."

President Bush seized this unprecedented power on the very same day that he signed the equally odious Military Commissions Act of 2006. In a sense, the two laws complement one another. One allows for torture and detention abroad, while the other seeks to enforce acquiescence at home, preparing to order the military onto the streets of America. Remember, the term for putting an area under military law enforcement control is precise; the term is "martial law."

Section 1076 of the massive Authorization Act, which grants the Pentagon another $500-plus-billion for its ill-advised adventures, is entitled, "Use of the Armed Forces in Major Public Emergencies." Section 333, "Major public emergencies; interference with State and Federal law" states that "the President may employ the armed forces, including the National Guard in Federal service, to restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition in any State or possession of the United States, the President determines that domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of ("refuse" or "fail" in) maintaining public order, "in order to suppress, in any State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy."
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Wait a minute. Don't you know your history? Here's an excerpt of one of MANY available news articles on what Bush did, and by doing so could LEGALLY use it against GL4X4 for allowing antigovernment discussion (especially when steveo used a picture of the barrel of his gun to show how he would handle the government):

In a stealth maneuver, President Bush has signed into law a provision which, according to Senator Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont), will actually encourage the President to declare federal martial law (1). It does so by revising the Insurrection Act, a set of laws that limits the President's ability to deploy troops within the United States. The Insurrection Act (10 U.S.C.331 -335) has historically, along with the Posse Comitatus Act (18 U.S.C.1385), helped to enforce strict prohibitions on military involvement in domestic law enforcement. With one cloaked swipe of his pen, Bush is seeking to undo those prohibitions.

Public Law 109-364, or the "John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007" (H.R.5122) (2), which was signed by the commander in chief on October 17th, 2006, in a private Oval Office ceremony, allows the President to declare a "public emergency" and station troops anywhere in America and take control of state-based National Guard units without the consent of the governor or local authorities, in order to "suppress public disorder."

President Bush seized this unprecedented power on the very same day that he signed the equally odious Military Commissions Act of 2006. In a sense, the two laws complement one another. One allows for torture and detention abroad, while the other seeks to enforce acquiescence at home, preparing to order the military onto the streets of America. Remember, the term for putting an area under military law enforcement control is precise; the term is "martial law."

Section 1076 of the massive Authorization Act, which grants the Pentagon another $500-plus-billion for its ill-advised adventures, is entitled, "Use of the Armed Forces in Major Public Emergencies." Section 333, "Major public emergencies; interference with State and Federal law" states that "the President may employ the armed forces, including the National Guard in Federal service, to restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition in any State or possession of the United States, the President determines that domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of ("refuse" or "fail" in) maintaining public order, "in order to suppress, in any State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy."

George Bush Obama sucks ass and liberals are the torpedo that has punctured the hole in the side of the ship, and Rome, you have got to be kidding, you never heard of the fall of the Roman Empire, or the Burning of Rome, where do you think Nero was from. The guy hit it right on the head, and if you look closer you will see the direct connection to empires failing and liberal thinking. You should look at Hitler as well, he's a lot like Obama. Read some of Hitlers speaches you'll swear they are Obama campaign speaches.
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He salutes the flag all the time. That one and only incident to which you base your blown-out statement was shown to be a quick snippet of time.
The quick snippet of time you speak of, It does in fact show the true color of his heart.
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The quick snippet of time you speak of, It does in fact show the true color of his heart.
Kinda like the 20 years in his church cursing the U.S.
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George Bush Obama sucks ass and liberals are the torpedo that has punctured the hole in the side of the ship, and Rome, you have got to be kidding, you never heard of the fall of the Roman Empire, or the Burning of Rome, where do you think Nero was from. The guy hit it right on the head, and if you look closer you will see the direct connection to empires failing and liberal thinking. You should look at Hitler as well, he's a lot like Obama. Read some of Hitlers speaches you'll swear they are Obama campaign speaches.
I was referring to his comment about nations not lasting longer than 200 years. The Fall of the Roman Empire? Yes, and how long was Rome in existance before the fall? Hell, even the fall took more than 200 years. Marcus Aurelius wrote Meditations 160 years A.D., and theRoman Empire had been around a very long time before that.

Your attempts to upset me are juvenile at least, and pathetic at best. Troll someone else Toes, it won't work on me.
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The quick snippet of time you speak of, It does in fact show the true color of his heart.
Go back to the full video clip of that incident (photograph). He did salute, after the photo was taken. The photographer just caught it early.

Please help me out with this and show me a video clip of Obama not saluting the flag, because I haven't yet seen one.
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We need leaders like Ike, and Teddy back in politics. Leaders who actually had a back bone and heart.
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Agreed.
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Agreed.
You do say that you are active in politics which is to bad, because I believe the liberal agenda is not good for this country or its people, and with you pushing that agenda..... well good luck to you when things turn south and your liberties are taken away, just a thought
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Go back to the full video clip of that incident (photograph). He did salute, after the photo was taken. The photographer just caught it early.

Please help me out with this and show me a video clip of Obama not saluting the flag, because I haven't yet seen one.
Well I can't think of not seeing it but I do remember him not sporting the american flag lapel button, all this before his election. It would unpatriotic for him to not do it now and the public outcry would embarass him and the democratic party greatly. You yourself would not agree to that would you?
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You do say that you are active in politics which is to bad, because I believe the liberal agenda is not good for this country or its people, and with you pushing that agenda..... well good luck to you when things turn south and your liberties are taken away, just a thought
I have covered ad nauseum all the moves G.W. Bush made to take away our freedoms, and you ignore them, then accuse Obama of making moves to take away our freedom and can't name one.
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Well I can't think of not seeing it but I do remember him not sporting the american flag lapel button, all this before his election. It would unpatriotic for him to not do it now and the public outcry would embarass him and the democratic party greatly. You yourself would not agree to that would you?
Not wearing the button? Why does he have to wear a button? What next, the American flag doo-rag? Are you wearing the button? Hmmm? No. You aren't, you un-American, communist, fascist, everything else-ist.... Come on. Get real.
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Not wearing the button? Why does he have to wear a button? What next, the American flag doo-rag? Are you wearing the button? Hmmm? No. You aren't, you un-American, communist, fascist, everything else-ist.... Come on. Get real.
I do remember hearing that alot of people got upset about that, the lapel thing, not having his hand over his heart during the national anthem and so on. But him as the pres he needs to do that and if you notice now he does wear the lapel pin and salute the flag and as he approches the plane or helicopter that he boards, he salutes the soldiers. So relax
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Not to fan the flame but you guys are getting off topic... The real issue is the fact that our Govt is burning itself to the ground. Regardless of who was in office or is in office. The american POLITICIANS as a whole are whats killing this country. There is no "fair representation" of the American People any more. Leaders used to fight BESIDE their fellow country men. That is no longer the case and hasnt been for sometime. This govt needs to be rebuilt from the ground up. Built in the ashes of the exsisting Govt to uphold core beliefs for the good of the country and the people. But as far as politicians are concerned...They should be small town nobodies who WORK for a living and presonally know who they represent.
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Kinda like the 20 years in his church cursing the U.S.
Church maybe but more of a cult through that radical black pastor that indeed talk about the hate for America and the extreme hate for the white man. This man Obama sat in that church and denied ever hearing those topics is an absolute lie. And I do believe that before he is voted out or kicked out of office he will show his true colors and how he feels for this country and the white man.
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