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Old August 27th, 2009, 12:49 PM   #101
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I think people bringing guns to such an event may be very appropriate. No matter what kind of bullsh*t and rhetoric they dress it up with, everything that government does is with implicit or explicit force of arms. If a healthcare or "cap & trade" bill is passed, it will be enforced by the threat of deadly force. If you don't believe that, just try become a willful income tax evader; sooner or later, men with guns will come and get you. This is why most of us just pay their taxes and hope we don't get caught slipping.

Thing is, the law of this land says that We the People are the government, and the powers exercised by the local, state, and federal governments are delegated to them by us. Any other exercise of power is an unlawful usurpation.

It has been observed for time immemorial and by the Founders themselves that only free men bear arms at will; subjects only to carry out the will of their rulers. So when Obama goes around the country trying to convince people to give him more power to burden and control the lives of U.S. citizens, I think it's entirely appropriate for those opposed to show up bearing their arms as a reminder: don't tread on me.

As for the question of whether the president should be exposed to American citizens carrying arms in a peaceful protest, you judge whether the lives of any of the lying, manipulating, power grabbing presidents are really worth that much more than those of the men and women they put in front of flying bullets on a daily basis.

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Old August 27th, 2009, 12:50 PM   #102
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You are correct, I did. I said you can not yell fire in a crowded theater (unless there is a fire) and that rights only go so far as not to infringe on others rights.

Let's say what she was doing was asking a question, not "yelling fire". Obviously out of turn, but still exercising her first amendment rights as many have done during other town halls.

So, will you now question the legitimacy of people disrupting Democrats at thier town halls too?

Or was McCain wrong to have her removed?
I will not question the current town hall disruptions made against the dems.
If she did have a valid question and was removed for it than yes, it was wrong.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32577833...h_care_reform/

There is video now, but I could not make out what she was yelling.
I can't believe that the media hasn't made a big deal out of the fact that she is apperently a blind woman. I'd of thought that would have been a part of every headline.

She has the right to say whatever she wants, but he has the right to have her removed for disturbing his speech. It's just like someone talking in the movie theater. You still have the right to free speech, but you do not have the right to disturb everyone else in the theater with your talking.
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Old August 27th, 2009, 12:52 PM   #104
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I think people bringing guns to such an event may be very appropriate. No matter what kind of bullsh*t and rhetoric they dress it up with, everything that government does is with implicit or explicit force of arms. If a healthcare or "cap & trade" bill is passed, it will be enforced by the threat of deadly force. If you don't believe that, just try become a willful income tax evader; sooner or later, men with guns will come and get you. This is why most of us just pay their taxes and hope we don't get caught slipping.

Thing is, the law of this land says that We the People are the government, and the powers exercised by the local, state, and federal governments are delegated to them by us. Any other exercise of power is an unlawful usurpation.

It has been observed for time immemorial and by the Founders themselves that only free men bear arms at will; subjects only to carry out the will of their rulers. So when Obama goes around the country trying to convince people to give him more power to burden and control the lives of U.S. citizens, I think it's entirely appropriate for those opposed to show up bearing their arms as a reminder: don't tread on me.
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Old August 27th, 2009, 12:54 PM   #105
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I think people bringing guns to such an event may be very appropriate. No matter what kind of bullsh*t and rhetoric they dress it up with, everything that government does is with implicit or explicit force of arms. If a healthcare or "cap & trade" bill is passed, it will be enforced by the threat of deadly force. If you don't believe that, just try become a willful income tax evader; sooner or later, men with guns will come and get you. This is why most of us just pay their taxes and hope we don't get caught slipping.

Thing is, the law of this land says that We the People are the government, and the powers exercised by the local, state, and federal governments are delegated to them by us. Any other exercise of power is an unlawful usurpation.

It has been observed for time immemorial and by the Founders themselves that only free men bear arms at will; subjects only to carry out the will of their rulers. So when Obama goes around the country trying to convince people to give him more power to burden and control the lives of U.S. citizens, I think it's entirely appropriate for those opposed to show up bearing their arms as a reminder: don't tread on me.
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Old August 27th, 2009, 02:04 PM   #106
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Old August 27th, 2009, 02:33 PM   #107
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Thanks guys--good to see the country hasn't been entirely drained of red blood.
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Old August 27th, 2009, 06:50 PM   #108
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The report was on MSNBC.

The context was she shouted over him as he was speaking.

What she said has not been reported yet, from what I can find.

And why is context suddenly important? We have all seen Democrats trying to speak and been shouted down. Is there a context that works for one and not for the other?
I thought maybe she was in a crowded theater and yelled fire....
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It does matter what she was shouting.
Didn't you just make a point somewhere about limited first amendment rights?
Yeah but you can't bring that up because he really didn't mean what he said.
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Actually, I did fairly well in History, thank you very much.

You all seem to miss at least part of the point I was trying to make. The written word.

Assumption seems to be a big part of peoples thinkings around here.

When Clinton was elected, we were all going to lose our guns because he was a liberal Democrat, did not happened. Same is said about Obama, have not seen him do anything in office to lead me to believe that will happen. When I do see him do something I will be against that policy.

But, you are all right, security and safety for the President are less important than a protester carrying a gun. So, when the next Republican President is elected, how many of you will go to support him when he is in town and legally open carry your firearms?

And I am really not sure why any of you think I am against the right to own and carry firearms?
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Come on Pete!! It sure wasn't for lack of trying!!
They got step one passed and all hell broke loose. It cost them the midterm elections.

What was the other thing that cost them? Oh yea, health care.
Pete failed on that part of history. Or the "assault weapon ban" in his mind had nothing to do with guns. Oh and let's not look at what Pelosi said " if I could have gotten every one, turn them in Mr & Mrs America."
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Actually, I did fairly well in History, thank you very much.

You all seem to miss at least part of the point I was trying to make. The written word.

Assumption seems to be a big part of peoples thinkings around here.

When Clinton was elected, we were all going to lose our guns because he was a liberal Democrat, did not happened. Same is said about Obama, have not seen him do anything in office to lead me to believe that will happen. When I do see him do something I will be against that policy.

But, you are all right, security and safety for the President are less important than a protester carrying a gun. So, when the next Republican President is elected, how many of you will go to support him when he is in town and legally open carry your firearms?

And I am really not sure why any of you think I am against the right to own and carry firearms?
Maybe because you don't?
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