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Old August 21st, 2009, 03:56 PM   #41
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I just don't think bringing a weapon to a Presidential event is a good idea, regardless of who is President.

No secret I did not like Bush, but I would not have wanted people carrying guns around his events either.

To me it is about the protection of the President of the United States.
So, what? Take their rights to carry and their guns away? If they are law abiding citizens, there is nothing to worry about. Period.

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"In both cases, the subject was not entering our site or otherwise attempting to," Donovan said. "They were in a designated public viewing area. The main thing to know is that they would not have been allowed inside with a weapon."
I fail to see the problem here? These people are PEACEFULLY using their rights, and did nothing that people should be all worked up over.
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Old August 21st, 2009, 06:49 PM   #42
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No secret I did not like Bush
Lies lies and more lies
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Old August 21st, 2009, 07:03 PM   #43
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[QUOTE=PeteC;1818466]Of course he is going to say that. The Secret Service will never make any negative statement about Presidential security. They can't....for reasons of security.


Obama say's he was born in the U.S. can I use your logic to discredit his statement......
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Old August 21st, 2009, 09:44 PM   #44
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I did a second edit, how does this one sound



QUOTE=PeteC;1814993]So, now it is OK to show up at a presidential event and voice your opinion?

Yes, I know they broke no laws and they have the right.

And yes, I have an opinion.

But this is just not right, I don't care who is in office.
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I like this one better
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Old August 21st, 2009, 09:54 PM   #45
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The Brother was a person invited to the rally for the purpose of conducting an interview with a right wing radio show.

A publicity stunt.

He and the interviewer have been friends for a couple of years. Certainly not a spur of the moment event.
and left wingers don't pull publicity stunts
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and left wingers don't pull publicity stunts
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The Brother was a person invited to the rally for the purpose of conducting an interview with a right wing radio show.

A publicity stunt.

He and the interviewer have been friends for a couple of years. Certainly not a spur of the moment event.

The publicity stunt would be your constitutional rights. Funny how liberals twist things to the point that they call your constitutional rights a publicity stunt...
Funny thing is, if it was some terrorist supporter burning the American flag and screaming kill all Americans while holding a rifle, they would say that was freedom of speech, or freedom of expression.
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Pavementpounder just owned PeteC
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The Brother was a person invited to the rally for the purpose of conducting an interview with a right wing radio show.

A publicity stunt.

He and the interviewer have been friends for a couple of years. Certainly not a spur of the moment event.

The publicity stunt would be your constitutional rights. Funny how liberals twist things to the point that they call your constitutional rights a publicity stunt...
Funny thing is, if it was some terrorist supporter burning the American flag and screaming kill all Americans while holding a rifle, they would say that was freedom of speech, or freedom of expression.
You would think they as in liberals care more the rights of immigrants and terrorists than the very people who live here. The people that help them with keeping our rights and freedoms intact
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If your house is on a motorcade route should they come collect your guns before it goes by?

No, but I would not stand on my porch with a handgun on my side and a rifle over my shoulder
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and left wingers don't pull publicity stunts
Never said they don't.
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The Brother was a person invited to the rally for the purpose of conducting an interview with a right wing radio show.

A publicity stunt.

He and the interviewer have been friends for a couple of years. Certainly not a spur of the moment event.

The publicity stunt would be your constitutional rights. Funny how liberals twist things to the point that they call your constitutional rights a publicity stunt...
Funny thing is, if it was some terrorist supporter burning the American flag and screaming kill all Americans while holding a rifle, they would say that was freedom of speech, or freedom of expression.

The man would not have been there had it not been set up in advance as a radio interview. Yes, it was a publicity stunt for the radio talk show host.

Did, he have the right to be there? Yes, of course he did.
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Old August 22nd, 2009, 02:32 PM   #52
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Yeah, lets disarm all the soldiers in the area next time Obama visits someplace overseas, too.

"Now hear this. President is now on the FOB. All soldiers must turn in their weapons to their Supply Rooms immediately. You out there in the tower at the front gate with the Barret. Clear that weapon immediately."

To me it is about the President of the United States understanding that he is not above the rights of the citizens. If the Secret Service or local LEO's need to step up their game as a result, then that's what they need to do.

Sorry, you know as well as I do, there is a huge difference between a whack job at a town hall and military personnel at an FOB.

Apples and oranges.

You are correct, the President needs to understand the rights of the people. It goes for any President.

But, why is it that now, all of a sudden, just with this President, people are showing up with weapons?

Yea, I know, he is turning us socialist
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You would think they as in liberals care more the rights of immigrants and terrorists than the very people who live here. The people that help them with keeping our rights and freedoms intact

If you really think that is how "liberals" (i.e. anyone that does not agree with you) think, you really need to get your head out of Limbaugh's Ass, or is that Hannity's, or Beck's. Or what ever other right wing nut job you get your "facts" from.


Oh, and by the way, immigrants (legal ones) do have rights. It is the illegal ones that should not have anything more than basic humans rights. They should be deported immediately.

BTW, basic human rights is a basic tenet of a free, democratic society, including the United States. You can not simply shoot people in the streets like dogs.
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But, why is it that now, all of a sudden, just with this President, people are showing up with weapons?
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Yea, I know, he is turning us socialist
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It is the illegal ones that should not have anything more than basic humans rights. They should be deported immediately BTW, basic human rights is a basic tenet of a free, democratic society, including the United States..
Agreed As much as I hate illegals I am sure a lot of them are here to make a better life for their families.

I knew a guy from Mexico that was here illegally. He is a good guy and I dont expected him to be treated any less humane than anyone else. I do, and I told him, think he should be on the first bus back to the motherland.

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You can not simply shoot people in the streets like dogs.
That's too bad. Violent criminals should be shot down like rabid pit-bulls.
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Old August 22nd, 2009, 03:45 PM   #55
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No, but I would not stand on my porch with a handgun on my side and a rifle over my shoulder
But if you did I wouldn't think there is anything wrong with that.

I think you have the same problem I do. We have been in the city/around nut-jobs too long. I assume the worst most of the time.

How many people do we know/wheel with that think nothing of leaving their cars unlocked or keys in them when they go into stores? I lock my doors on a vehicle with no value anytime I get out of it (unless I am at home). Just habit from working ghettos for 12+ years.

I know this isnt the same thing as guns around the President. We shouldn't be afraid of law abiding citizens exercising their rights. We should always be on the look out for whack jobs. Around the President or not it should be our job as good Americans to watch for the loons, not to take away good peoples rights because they might be said loon.
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Another thought.

We have no fly zones around the President all the time. SHould we keep them even though it temporarily restricts rights of free travel?

I say a no fly zone, or a no gun zone temporarily around the President is not an infringement of rights.
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Old August 24th, 2009, 01:42 PM   #57
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In the past guns were used for intimidation during Reconstruction, lynchings, the Klan.
In foreign countries they still use weaponry for intimidation at elections. I thought or naively hoped we were beyond using the threat of violence if a group did not get their way in the democratic process. Funny how guns never showed up previously til an African American is in the White House.
You're not going to "get your country back". Things have changed and the people voted.

Showing guns, swastikas and calling Obama Hitler, showing pictures of body piles is just sad and showing the reactionary base.
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We have no fly zones around the President all the time. SHould we keep them even though it temporarily restricts rights of free travel?
Please show me where the "right to fly" exists in the Constitution or any of the Amendments, as I am drawing a blank on that one.
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Funny how guns never showed up previously til an African American is in the White House.
Ask these guys if guns ever showed up around the president before:

Abraham Lincoln
James Abram Garfield
William McKinley
John Fitzgerald Kennedy
Ronald Wilson Reagan
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Ask these guys if guns ever showed up around the president before:

Abraham Lincoln
James Abram Garfield
William McKinley
John Fitzgerald Kennedy
Ronald Wilson Reagan
How many of those weapons were known about? if someone is going to try it, a law prohibiting firearms in the vicinity isn't going to stop them.
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