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Old August 17th, 2009, 03:01 PM   #21
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Not to fan the flame but you guys are getting off topic... The real issue is the fact that our Govt is burning itself to the ground. Regardless of who was in office or is in office. The american POLITICIANS as a whole are whats killing this country. There is no "fair representation" of the American People any more. Leaders used to fight BESIDE their fellow country men. That is no longer the case and hasnt been for sometime. This govt needs to be rebuilt from the ground up. Built in the ashes of the exsisting Govt to uphold core beliefs for the good of the country and the people. But as far as politicians are concerned...They should be small town nobodies who WORK for a living and presonally know who they represent.
Dude you are so right on. But the problem is that as a country we are divided between left and right, black and white. Untill there are those issues resolved I can see us becoming only more divided. Which is to bad, because as a country we can be so much more. We have been the greatest country in the world and still may be, but I think we are sliding down hill, socializm and liberalizm.
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Not to fan the flame but you guys are getting off topic... The real issue is the fact that our Govt is burning itself to the ground. Regardless of who was in office or is in office. The american POLITICIANS as a whole are whats killing this country. There is no "fair representation" of the American People any more. Leaders used to fight BESIDE their fellow country men. That is no longer the case and hasnt been for sometime. This govt needs to be rebuilt from the ground up. Built in the ashes of the exsisting Govt to uphold core beliefs for the good of the country and the people. But as far as politicians are concerned...They should be small town nobodies who WORK for a living and presonally know who they represent.
Good call, but doesn't it seem like private campaign funding is the real culprit? If all candidates campaigns we funded by the taxpayers with very strict rules and limitations, and include ALL parties, there would be no reason for special interst campaign contributions, and would not exclude people like Libertarians, Green Party, etc. from the debates. WE would be in control of our campaigns. Then any money or favors given to politicians would clearly be a bribe, and we could prosecute. Thoughts?
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Church maybe but more of a cult through that radical black pastor that indeed talk about the hate for America and the extreme hate for the white man. This man Obama sat in that church and denied ever hearing those topics is an absolute lie. And I do believe that before he is voted out or kicked out of office he will show his true colors and how he feels for this country and the white man.
Ummmm... He's half white....?
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You do say that you are active in politics which is to bad, because I believe the liberal agenda is not good for this country or its people, and with you pushing that agenda..... well good luck to you when things turn south and your liberties are taken away, just a thought


Yea, too bad there are opposing views in this country. Would be much better if everyone just had the same thoughts.
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Well I can't think of not seeing it but I do remember him not sporting the american flag lapel button, all this before his election. It would unpatriotic for him to not do it now and the public outcry would embarass him and the democratic party greatly. You yourself would not agree to that would you?


During that controversy I produced stories and pictures of both Bush sr. and jr. not wearing lapel flags at different times. Heck, even when the U.S.S. H.W.Bush was dedicated, sr. did not have a lapel pin on.
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Yea, too bad there are opposing views in this country. Would be much better if everyone just had the same thoughts.
Would be nice but it would be boring, opposing views makes for good debate. Besides agreeing on everything ummmmmm, no challenge
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Ummmm... He's half white....?
your right so why the racizm, he should be amore accepting of his half brothers like you and me
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During that controversy I produced stories and pictures of both Bush sr. and jr. not wearing lapel flags at different times. Heck, even when the U.S.S. H.W.Bush was dedicated, sr. did not have a lapel pin on.
But did they salute?
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Good call, but doesn't it seem like private campaign funding is the real culprit? If all candidates campaigns we funded by the taxpayers with very strict rules and limitations, and include ALL parties, there would be no reason for special interst campaign contributions, and would not exclude people like Libertarians, Green Party, etc. from the debates. WE would be in control of our campaigns. Then any money or favors given to politicians would clearly be a bribe, and we could prosecute. Thoughts?
with that idea elections would be more even as far as what could be spent on the campaign. It has seemed that the one to raise the most in dollars usually wins.
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Agreed.
Yeah and Barrack Obackboneless isn't one ......

Obama Sucks Ass and the liberals are sinking the ship
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Ummmm... He's half white and 100% Ass....?
Fixed it for you.
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Yea, too bad there are opposing views in this country. Would be much better if everyone just had the same thoughts.
As long as it was mine.....
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He salutes the flag all the time. That one and only incident to which you base your blown-out statement was shown to be a quick snippet of time.
Keep telling yourself he's a great guy. I guess Michelle Obama stating that she has never had pride in her Country means nothing. The fact that Obama has participated in a United States hating, racist church means nothing. The fact that he will not disclose his birth certificate means nothing (I would have to if I wanted to run for President). The fact that his administration is printing money without backing it up with GNP means nothing.

I personally don't want to see Obama fail because it will bring hardship to myself and my family. All the evidence and trends indicate that he is not doing a good job so I fear that life as I know it will be much harder.

The only people I see supporting Obama at this time are the young (who don't have anything and feel they are entitled to more than they have earned at this time in their life), and the lazy (who feel that I owe them something because I have more than they do).

To be an Obama supporter I would have to guess that you are under 25 years old, somewhat educated (if not fully) but still depend on your parents for some support. If you are older than 30, work full time, and have a marketable skill that is supporting you, then you are a noble man. I find it hard that you could support a President that is looking at you to directly support those that have done nothing to better themselves in life.
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Keep telling yourself he's a great guy. I guess Michelle Obama stating that she has never had pride in her Country means nothing. The fact that Obama has participated in a United States hating, racist church means nothing. The fact that he will not disclose his birth certificate means nothing (I would have to if I wanted to run for President). The fact that his administration is printing money without backing it up with GNP means nothing.

I personally don't want to see Obama fail because it will bring hardship to myself and my family. All the evidence and trends indicate that he is not doing a good job so I fear that life as I know it will be much harder.

The only people I see supporting Obama at this time are the young (who don't have anything and feel they are entitled to more than they have earned at this time in their life), and the lazy (who feel that I owe them something because I have more than they do).

To be an Obama supporter I would have to guess that you are under 25 years old, somewhat educated (if not fully) but still depend on your parents for some support. If you are older than 30, work full time, and have a marketable skill that is supporting you, then you are a noble man. I find it hard that you could support a President that is looking at you to directly support those that have done nothing to better themselves in life.
very well put nugget, I totally agree. It is unbelieveable that so many people could have the wool pulled over thier eyes and they don't even know it. Or they have had so much bush brain washing from the media over the past 8 years that they took it hook line and sinker. Will we as a society be able to turn around or undo what has and will be done?
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Keep telling yourself he's a great guy. I guess Michelle Obama stating that she has never had pride in her Country means nothing. The fact that Obama has participated in a United States hating, racist church means nothing. The fact that he will not disclose his birth certificate means nothing (I would have to if I wanted to run for President). The fact that his administration is printing money without backing it up with GNP means nothing.

I personally don't want to see Obama fail because it will bring hardship to myself and my family. All the evidence and trends indicate that he is not doing a good job so I fear that life as I know it will be much harder.

The only people I see supporting Obama at this time are the young (who don't have anything and feel they are entitled to more than they have earned at this time in their life), and the lazy (who feel that I owe them something because I have more than they do).

To be an Obama supporter I would have to guess that you are under 25 years old, somewhat educated (if not fully) but still depend on your parents for some support. If you are older than 30, work full time, and have a marketable skill that is supporting you, then you are a noble man. I find it hard that you could support a President that is looking at you to directly support those that have done nothing to better themselves in life.
Holly sheep shit, that was incredible.....

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Hope for our great nation rests upon independent thinking and individual effort. The revival of discipline, integrity, work, determination, and healthy pride is not a national matter but a personal one. Inward change and godliness are not legislated by Congress---they are spawned in the heart and cultivated in the home before they are bred in the land. Frankly---it boils down to one person, you.


I take this very seriously.
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Nuggets, for the most part i agree with you, younger people most likely vote for him. BUT I also know a great deal of "kids" who didnt. I was under the age of 25 during the election. Yes i voted, and it WASNT FOR HIM. I had lived with my parents prior to me getting married.
I was leaning more towards the late 20's early 30's who voted for him. I say that mostly because the economy and job market had really taken a turn for the worst and people started losing their houses and it seemed to me like those were people in their late 20's and early 30's. Who knows it could be a combination of both. Either way he won and theres no changing that.

Personally I hope hes the best president ever. BUT I say that about every president. That means good news for me, you, our nation, and every nation we interact with. (except for Afghanistan)

I think the main issue that we as Americans have to deal with, is a total restructure of the Govt as a whole. Right down to the state legislation.
Unfortunatly that isnt going to happen. At least not yet. The american people as a whole have chosen to not do anything except bitch and complain. This does not solve the issue so it keeps getting worse. When people truly get desperate is the only time that you will see anything significant happen. The civil war was the last time anything really significant happened that effected both Federal AND State laws. Im not saying that I want this to happen by no means! But i think that with the combination of the growing amounts of different races in the U.S. plus the govt going to pot. That may be exactly what we get. There comes a point where the people stop listening to what the Govt has to say. I think its getting close to that.


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Keep telling yourself he's a great guy. I guess Michelle Obama stating that she has never had pride in her Country means nothing. The fact that Obama has participated in a United States hating, racist church means nothing. The fact that he will not disclose his birth certificate means nothing (I would have to if I wanted to run for President). The fact that his administration is printing money without backing it up with GNP means nothing.

I personally don't want to see Obama fail because it will bring hardship to myself and my family. All the evidence and trends indicate that he is not doing a good job so I fear that life as I know it will be much harder.

The only people I see supporting Obama at this time are the young (who don't have anything and feel they are entitled to more than they have earned at this time in their life), and the lazy (who feel that I owe them something because I have more than they do).

To be an Obama supporter I would have to guess that you are under 25 years old, somewhat educated (if not fully) but still depend on your parents for some support. If you are older than 30, work full time, and have a marketable skill that is supporting you, then you are a noble man. I find it hard that you could support a President that is looking at you to directly support those that have done nothing to better themselves in life.
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Keep telling yourself he's a great guy. I guess Michelle Obama stating that she has never had pride in her Country means nothing. The fact that Obama has participated in a United States hating, racist church means nothing. The fact that he will not disclose his birth certificate means nothing (I would have to if I wanted to run for President). The fact that his administration is printing money without backing it up with GNP means nothing.

I personally don't want to see Obama fail because it will bring hardship to myself and my family. All the evidence and trends indicate that he is not doing a good job so I fear that life as I know it will be much harder.

The only people I see supporting Obama at this time are the young (who don't have anything and feel they are entitled to more than they have earned at this time in their life), and the lazy (who feel that I owe them something because I have more than they do).

To be an Obama supporter I would have to guess that you are under 25 years old, somewhat educated (if not fully) but still depend on your parents for some support. If you are older than 30, work full time, and have a marketable skill that is supporting you, then you are a noble man. I find it hard that you could support a President that is looking at you to directly support those that have done nothing to better themselves in life.

You're so wrong about me on so many counts. I'm 47, a household income around $150,000.00 yr., bills paid, credit scores over 800, highly skilled and marketable, always worked very hard all my life, and humble enough to mop floors if that's what I have to do to pay my bills, so you're way wrong there.

I appreciate all that this country has made possible for me, and I have served my country in the military, and I am serving my country now by trying to give something back. I have it made in the shade. Now I want to give a leg up to those that don't. Why? Because it's a lot like those "Christian values" you hypocrites keep spouting... You know, love thy neighbor, etc etc, which none of you do unless the neighbor is white and goes to your f*ing church.

"Young and lazy"??? Guess what? I campaigned for Obama and worked with, literally, thousands of other volunteers. They were people just like me, except varying colors, religions (or lack of them), sexual orientations, etc. I think that's what you and all these other antiObama assholes hate, is that the new world will accept people like that, which was why he was voted in with such a majority. By your logic (or lack of it) the majority of America (you know, the people that elected Obama?) are young and lazy. Wow... Does that REALLY seem like a logical statement to you?
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" I think that's what you and all these other antiObama assholes hate, is that the new world will accept people like that, which was why he was voted in with such a majority. By your logic (or lack of it) the majority of America (you know, the people that elected Obama?) are young and lazy. Wow... Does that REALLY seem like a logical statement to you?

http://www.infoplease.com/us/governm...e-summary.html

66.8 million votes for Obama 53%
58.3 million votes for McCain 46%

http://www.census.gov/population/www...s/tab01-01.xls

209 million people of voting age.

31.9% of the population voted for President Obama. That's slightly less than 1 in 3 people aged 18 or older. That is not the majority of America by any means.

Now continue on with your bigoted opinion of those who didn't vote for Obama.
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