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Old August 24th, 2009, 05:31 PM   #161
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Sounds like your plate is full and you have bills to pay.

Nothing a little MORE work won't cure.........
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Old August 24th, 2009, 05:36 PM   #162
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Nothing a little bit of someone elses hard earned money won't cure.........
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Old August 24th, 2009, 06:45 PM   #163
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Old August 24th, 2009, 08:37 PM   #164
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yes, sarcasm dosent come across on the computer very well.
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Old August 24th, 2009, 08:50 PM   #165
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yes, sarcasm dosent come across on the computer very well.

I know, I make faces when I type but nobody can see them, it sucks.....
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Old August 24th, 2009, 08:52 PM   #166
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Nothing a little MORE work won't cure.........
And the good part about that is you work you get paid.
The only face we see is your big toe with the same face, maybe change the look
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Old August 24th, 2009, 09:24 PM   #167
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And the good part about that is you work you get paid.
The only face we see is your big toe with the same face, maybe change the look
You asked for it.....

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Old August 24th, 2009, 11:47 PM   #168
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What about the person driving a 10 year old car, working hard, paying rent, buying school clothes for the little ones, feeding the family, no luxuries at all and at the end of the month, simply can't find that extra $150 in the budget without taking food off the table?

OH, that's right, just go work harder, get a second, third, fourth job.
You really want to know yes work hard. Show your boss and other managers that you are willing to do what it takes and take the initiative to get the job done. That's how my wife went from min. wage to 50k a year at Wal-mart of all places. Now a friend of mine is working there after we were laid off, in 50 days he was promoted to customer service manager. Just a step below where my wife is at. Yes he is busting his ass. But he wants the salary spot as soon as possible, so he is showing them he wants it by working hard. At the rate he is going it is possible that he could make assistant in a year. That's what happens when you are willing to work for what you have and want. Even flipping hamburgers at McD's can get you some where if you are willing to work for it, after all they do have store managers, district and regional managers. I'm betting they don't make minimum wage.
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Old August 25th, 2009, 12:23 PM   #169
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Why do you use working harder like it's a punishment. I worked saturday till dark, and all day today in mud up to my hips, You know what I didn't want to, but I have a son leaving for college a daughter getting married in june and another daughter that will be driving soon, the oldest girls wedding will be in the 40,000 dollar range, the boy should have a new car to drive home from school when he wants and his tuition is 35,000 a year, the youngest girl will get a car from dad because Ive done it with the other two. NOw I could whine and cry about insurance and car costs and I can't afford, or I can get my fat ass out there and work for what I want.

If that means a second third or fourth job then thats what needs to be done to by what I want, including health insurance....

I'm doing what I need to do to get what I want, asking me to pay for somebody else to have the things I bust my ass to get is ignorant. I don't think I will buy a plane or large boat this year because I CANT AFFORD IT.


I have never used the term "working harder" as punishment.

But, you seem to use it as the catch all, end all solution to everything.

At what point have you worked hard enough?

At what point do you attain a level to where you are able to buy insurance that is affordable to you?

One of the intents of this reform plan is to make health care affordable, not free for everyone.

Not everyone can manage the income you seem to be able to manage. Great for you that you can. I am glad that I can as well.

The difference, I think, between you and I is that I realize that not all people have the same skills, intellect, opportunites and chances you and I have had. Not everyone is going to be able to make "enough" for health care just by working harder at multiple jobs.

Making money is not always just about determination. Although you can be determined to make money, you may not be able to command the type of wage that allows for luxuries (as you seem to imply it is) like health care.
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Old August 25th, 2009, 12:33 PM   #170
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You really want to know yes work hard. Show your boss and other managers that you are willing to do what it takes and take the initiative to get the job done. That's how my wife went from min. wage to 50k a year at Wal-mart of all places. Now a friend of mine is working there after we were laid off, in 50 days he was promoted to customer service manager. Just a step below where my wife is at. Yes he is busting his ass. But he wants the salary spot as soon as possible, so he is showing them he wants it by working hard. At the rate he is going it is possible that he could make assistant in a year. That's what happens when you are willing to work for what you have and want. Even flipping hamburgers at McD's can get you some where if you are willing to work for it, after all they do have store managers, district and regional managers. I'm betting they don't make minimum wage.

You are correct and these are good examples.

But let me ask you this. How many of these better paying jobs are open? There is a finite number, once they are filled then what? Should a hard working cashier get paid the same as a manager because, after all, they worked hard and showed they can do the job, it's not thier fault there are no job openings.


What is everybody in a store or business works thier asses off, putting in unpaid overtime to show how hard they want a better job. How will they be rewarded?

Someone has to sweep the floor. Someone has to stock the shelves. Someone has to ring up the orders, etc., etc. If they work hard in that job, show thier spirit and determination yet find there are no promotions available, then what? (please do not say to move to another company, I am using your Walmart example, stick with it)

Now, what about the person who does get multiple low wage jobs becasue that is all they are capable of, for whatever reason. How many hours should they work in a day before you say he has worked enough, maybe he should have access to health plan he can afford according the the hard earned wages he has?

Life is not all black and white. Problems and solutions are not always simple. Square pegs do not fit into round holes. Sometime you have to think beyond your own situation and see what other people are doing to get by.
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Oh yea, another thought from a personal level.
The problem with losing a job has come up and how that affects health care insurance.

Many have said simply, get another job. Even is you have to get a job that is "beneath" you.

Well, that is not always as easy at it sounds either.

Ever hear of the term "Over Qualified"? My wife has heard that alot in the past year and a half. She has looked for any an all jobs, but because of her administrative, H.R. and IT background, she hasn't not even been able to find a low paying job. Well, she finally found something. It is "beneath" her skills (my words) and beneath the wage level she used to have but she is happy for the opportunity.

Anyone who has met her (many on this board) knows she is not a slacker in any sense.

If it had not been for my job, she would not have had health coverage during her time off. She would not have been able to afford to carry her old coverage either. No safety net for a woman with no dependent children on her own.
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Old August 25th, 2009, 05:54 PM   #172
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I have never used the term "working harder" as punishment.

But, you seem to use it as the catch all, end all solution to everything. It is the catch all, end all solution to everthing you want to buy, including health insurance.

At what point have you worked hard enough? When you don't want more than you can afford.

At what point do you attain a level to where you are able to buy insurance that is affordable to you? When you work hard enough to pay for the insurance you want.

One of the intents of this reform plan is to make health care affordable, not free for everyone. If you can't afford it and your not willing to work more jobs, hours or whatever to make more money to afford it, who will pay for it, ME, I'm not interested in another welfare program comming out of my beat to death working ass.
Not everyone can manage the income you seem to be able to manage. Tough shit. Great for you that you can. I am glad that I can as well. Bill Gates makes more than I do, I want what he has but I don't want to earn the money for it.
The difference, I think, between you and I is that I realize that not all people have the same skills, intellect, opportunites and chances you and I have had. Not everyone is going to be able to make "enough" for health care just by working harder at multiple jobs. Wrong, most people won't risk what I risk, or work the hours I work, and sacrifice the things I sacrificed to get what I have. Everybody has the same opportunity I have, and more than not have the skills, and intellect to do what I have done, they don't have the drive to succeed. They are complacent and selfish, they want to go on vacation, or to the beach, drive a new car. Thats their priority, not mine, I don't think I should pay their bills.
Making money is not always just about determination. Although you can be determined to make money, you may not be able to command the type of wage that allows for luxuries (as you seem to imply it is) like health care.
Work harder, get a better job, get another job, put your entire being into hock and start a business, Get a job working midnights so you can start a business during the day, get by on 3 or 4 hrs sleep, there are millions of ways to apply yourself that people don't do. Your talking about people saying Oh I tried but it's not good enough so gimmie gimmie. Why would anybody waht to try, whi would I bust my ass if I can just throw in the towel and get the same thing.....

The government should keep their nose out of our business and people should buy what they can afford, there is nothing else.....
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Old August 25th, 2009, 05:57 PM   #173
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Oh yea, another thought from a personal level.
The problem with losing a job has come up and how that affects health care insurance.

Many have said simply, get another job. Even is you have to get a job that is "beneath" you.

Well, that is not always as easy at it sounds either.

Ever hear of the term "Over Qualified"? My wife has heard that alot in the past year and a half. She has looked for any an all jobs, but because of her administrative, H.R. and IT background, she hasn't not even been able to find a low paying job. Well, she finally found something. It is "beneath" her skills (my words) and beneath the wage level she used to have but she is happy for the opportunity.

Anyone who has met her (many on this board) knows she is not a slacker in any sense.

If it had not been for my job, she would not have had health coverage during her time off. She would not have been able to afford to carry her old coverage either. No safety net for a woman with no dependent children on her own.

To bad, if you lose your job and you over bought on a house you'll be in trouble their to. So what.
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Old August 29th, 2009, 01:42 AM   #174
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You are correct and these are good examples.

But let me ask you this. How many of these better paying jobs are open? There is a finite number, once they are filled then what? Should a hard working cashier get paid the same as a manager because, after all, they worked hard and showed they can do the job, it's not thier fault there are no job openings.


What is everybody in a store or business works thier asses off, putting in unpaid overtime to show how hard they want a better job. How will they be rewarded?

Someone has to sweep the floor. Someone has to stock the shelves. Someone has to ring up the orders, etc., etc. If they work hard in that job, show thier spirit and determination yet find there are no promotions available, then what? (please do not say to move to another company, I am using your Walmart example, stick with it)

Now, what about the person who does get multiple low wage jobs becasue that is all they are capable of, for whatever reason. How many hours should they work in a day before you say he has worked enough, maybe he should have access to health plan he can afford according the the hard earned wages he has?

Life is not all black and white. Problems and solutions are not always simple. Square pegs do not fit into round holes. Sometime you have to think beyond your own situation and see what other people are doing to get by.
O.K. easy not everyone wants to move up people working part time while their kids are in school for example, but want a little extra money. When my wife was promoted some of her friends that she worked with openly said they didn't want to move up, due to extra hours. There are plenty of examples of those who are happy in the lower positions with spouses who make more. Some just plane don't want the responsibility. So if that is the case for many doesn't that leave it more open to those who do. As to positions open depends on if you are willing to move more then anything else. If you are open to going to the opening then you obviously have a better chance then the person who will only take the position near then. No life isn't always black and white but there are opportunities for those who want them. Why sped so much time worrying about those who want what the guy on the top has but don't want the work or responsibility he has. To be honest I do support state-aid only as a temporary support unless dire circumstance are shown like mental illness.



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Oh yea, another thought from a personal level.
The problem with losing a job has come up and how that affects health care insurance.

Many have said simply, get another job. Even is you have to get a job that is "beneath" you.

Well, that is not always as easy at it sounds either.

Ever hear of the term "Over Qualified"? My wife has heard that alot in the past year and a half. She has looked for any an all jobs, but because of her administrative, H.R. and IT background, she hasn't not even been able to find a low paying job. Well, she finally found something. It is "beneath" her skills (my words) and beneath the wage level she used to have but she is happy for the opportunity.

Anyone who has met her (many on this board) knows she is not a slacker in any sense.

If it had not been for my job, she would not have had health coverage during her time off. She would not have been able to afford to carry her old coverage either. No safety net for a woman with no dependent children on her own.
Understand pain here as I am laid off also, and can't find work that pays enough to cover day care. But that's life not always fair. If it wasn't for daycare cost I'd be working at TSC for $8.hr just to have a job and trying to work my way up. She doesn't have to put all her qualifications down. Nothing illegal about that, just can't put down ones she doesn't have. Wish her luck in finding something soon I know it not easy now.
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