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Old August 18th, 2009, 09:42 AM   #61
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What's wrong with my question? You were talking about moral laws and abortion. I assume that you believe that you derive your morals from the bible/god and that God is the divine author of the bible. Please, correct me if I'm wrong. There is very little in the bible about killing fetuses. What is listed in the bible shows it to be a much lesser crime than actual murder. I asked you how you felt about it or I suppose actually how you rationalize it in your own head. Just curious.

In terms of health care, I don't know. The system is messed up the way it is. Something has to change. I don't know if the public option is the best way or not. Apparently it's now off the table so I no longer am interested in even talking about it.
Your almost as funny as AGB. You don't know, but the system is messed up. What is so messed up?
Do you have health insurance?
Do you lay in bed at night and worry that if you get sick, or injured, that you can not recieve medical treatment?
Do you know anybody that was ever denied medical treatment?
If you called 911 for a medical emergency do you thing they ask for insurance, or a credit card #?
Do you think someone owes you insurance?
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Old August 18th, 2009, 10:01 AM   #62
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The NIV also if you were to read a little farther one way or another you would find were it says, eye for eye, bruise for bruise, life for life.
the NIV is re-translated to fit what the authors wanted. King James is more accurate to the actual words that were used.
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the NIV is re-translated to fit what the authors wanted. King James is more accurate to the actual words that were used.
King James was also translated and retranslated, you need to go back to the hebrew word to get the meaning for the translation you are looking for, but for the sake of argument I believe we can ues the word we have, niv,kjv nlt and so on. They are all basiclly the same, but if you need to spit hairs, then the original hebrew word would be for you, then you can translate for us all
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the NIV is re-translated to fit what the authors wanted. King James is more accurate to the actual words that were used.
LOL no. Matter of opinion actually. While the NIV is of course a strictly protestant interpretation - one really can't suggest that midevil old English is more or even less accurate than the original works some of which date to the first century in Greek and Aramaic. Or much earlier in the case of old Hebrew Old Testament readings
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how did this turn into a bible translation thread?
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how did this turn into a bible translation thread?
someone mentioned a problem with having morals codified into law, and I suggested it wasn't really a problem as many moralistic ideals are fairly widely spread and also codified in law.

Mike suggested that us more conservatives making intolerant religious based decisions and/or crediting our God for every moral fiber that anyone could have. (not every conservatives is religious or a Christian - something Mike probably doesn't believe either)
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However, since you're a tax and spend liberal, left leaning, big government loving, social service fan, what is your feeling on the astronomically low chance that Socialized Healthcare in the US will work when it has essentially failed everywhere else (at great expense)
I guess that depends on your definition "failure". We spend that most per capita, and the highest percent of our GDP on health care of any industrilized nation, and cover the lowest percentage of our population. Some would define that as a very expensive failure.
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I guess that depends on your definition "failure". We spend that most per capita, and the highest percent of our GDP on health care of any industrilized nation, and cover the lowest percentage of our population. Some would define that as a very expensive failure.
I wouldn't. I would simply say we have a portion of our population who are lazy fucks who need to CAPITALIZE on the opportunities available to us all. Think about it.
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I wouldn't. I would simply say we have a portion of our population who are lazy fucks who need to CAPITALIZE on the opportunities available to us all. Think about it.
OK....

I thought about it.

We still pay a higher percentage of our GDP to cover a lower percentage of our citizens than ANY industrilized nation. Sounds like failure to me.
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OK....

I thought about it.

We still pay a higher percentage of our GDP to cover a lower percentage of our citizens than ANY industrilized nation. Sounds like failure to me.

Gee I thought about it and we have more people comming here from other countries for Medical Attention, you know Health care, that people leaving the U.S. to go to other countries for Medical Attention, again healthcare, not insurance. So that would suggest we have the best Medical Treatments in the world.
Ever think that might cost more.
Anyway If I have the best, guess what, It's not a failure....
I wish all the people that think some other industrialized nation is better than the U.S. would just pack up and head out....
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Gee I thought about it and we have more people comming here from other countries for Medical Attention, you know Health care, that people leaving the U.S. to go to other countries for Medical Attention, again healthcare, not insurance. So that would suggest we have the best Medical Treatments in the world.
Ever think that might cost more.
Anyway If I have the best, guess what, It's not a failure....
I wish all the people that think some other industrialized nation is better than the U.S. would just pack up and head out....
X1,000,000 Definately awesome medical treatment. Anybody willing to work can afford it, well, except those unwilling to give up the booze or two packs of smokes a day. It's all about priorities and personal responsibility. Why do liberals insist on sucking the dick of the all the lazy fukc offs?
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Gee I thought about it and we have more people comming here from other countries for Medical Attention, you know Health care, that people leaving the U.S. to go to other countries for Medical Attention, again healthcare, not insurance. So that would suggest we have the best Medical Treatments in the world.
Ever think that might cost more.
Anyway If I have the best, guess what, It's not a failure....
I wish all the people that think some other industrialized nation is better than the U.S. would just pack up and head out....
Many people from here go to other countries for medical procedures. Why? Because they don't have insurance and can't afford to have it done here. It's much cheaper overseas, even if you not a part of their plan.

It many not be a failure for you, but it is for people that can't afford it.
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Many people from here go to other countries for medical procedures. Why? Because they don't have insurance and can't afford to have it done here. It's much cheaper overseas, even if you not a part of their plan.

It many not be a failure for you, but it is for people that can't afford it.
How many people do you know of that can't even afford health insurance here can afford to take time off work, (or not sit on the porch waiting for their government check) to travel to another country, pay for a hotel or whatever, and pay for the medical procedure there? Sounds like you're pulling more liberal bullshit our of your ass.
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Many people from here go to other countries for medical procedures. Why? Because they don't have insurance and can't afford to have it done here. It's much cheaper overseas, even if you not a part of their plan.

It many not be a failure for you, but it is for people that can't afford it.
so instead of a percentage of people not affording it, the solution is to turn it over to a failure of a federal government, and exponentially make it more expensive for all of us - and in turn artificially force the cost/value/compensation down below market rates?

Anyone else remember what happens to a market economy that exists under government price constraints? Bueller... Bueller... (think back to highschool economics class)

as for people that can't afford it, maybe they need to realize that it's not the healthcare they can't afford, but their health-style choices that they can't afford in the long run. We also are a nation of obesity, smoking, drinking and recreational drug habits the likes of which exceed most other 'modern' economies...
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X1,000,000 Definately awesome medical treatment. Anybody willing to work can afford it, well, except those unwilling to give up the booze or two packs of smokes a day. It's all about priorities and personal responsibility. Why do liberals insist on sucking the dick of the all the lazy fukc offs?
There are lots of hard working people who are laid off and can't afford private insurance. There are lots of hard working people working in jobs that don't offer health insurance, and may not make enough to by private insurance, or who maybe have a pre-existing condition that prevents them from buying private insurance.

Some day it could be you. you could lose your job through no fault of your own, and then have to figure out what COBRA is and see if you can afford it.
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Many people from here go to other countries for medical procedures. Why? Because they don't have insurance and can't afford to have it done here. It's much cheaper overseas, even if you not a part of their plan.

It many not be a failure for you, but it is for people that can't afford it.
I'm just kinda knocking some numbers around, Health insurance $1,000.00 a month x 6 mons for a new policy = $6,000.00 Trip overseas air fare $1,000.00 room and board for a week $250.00 a day x 6 days = $1,500.00 Food $15.00 per meal x 3 meals a day x 6 days = $225.00 that comes to $2725.00.

That leaves a difference of $3275.00 between the insurance and the trip without any medical expense, so the unaffordable medical procedure must be less than $3275.00....

I'm laughing my ass off right now. That was complete B.S. you put out there, and it in no way addressed the fact regarding who has the BEST medical treatment available.....

Oh yeah, could you provide some back up regarding ALL these people that go out of the U.S. for medical treatment. I'll discount any treatment that is elective, cosmetic, or illegal in the U.S.
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There are lots of hard working people who are laid off and can't afford private insurance. There are lots of hard working people working in jobs that don't offer health insurance, and may not make enough to by private insurance, or who maybe have a pre-existing condition that prevents them from buying private insurance.

Some day it could be you. you could lose your job through no fault of your own, and then have to figure out what COBRA is and see if you can afford it.
See, i'm an adult. I take responsibility for myself. If I can't afford it, i'll work harder, and sacrifice more things that aren't necessary. If you give people the excuse to slack off on their responsibilities, they will.
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I'm just kinda knocking some numbers around, Health insurance $1,000.00 a month x 6 mons for a new policy = $6,000.00 Trip overseas air fare $1,000.00 room and board for a week $250.00 a day x 6 days = $1,500.00 Food $15.00 per meal x 3 meals a day x 6 days = $225.00 that comes to $2725.00.

That leaves a difference of $3275.00 between the insurance and the trip without any medical expense, so the unaffordable medical procedure must be less than $3275.00....

I'm laughing my ass off right now. That was complete B.S. you put out there, and it in no way addressed the fact regarding who has the BEST medical treatment available.....

Oh yeah, could you provide some back up regarding ALL these people that go out of the U.S. for medical treatment. I'll discount any treatment that is elective, cosmetic, or illegal in the U.S.
http://www.medretreat.com/procedures/pricing.html

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...TL&type=health

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There are lots of hard working people who are laid off and can't afford private insurance. There are lots of hard working people working in jobs that don't offer health insurance, and may not make enough to by private insurance, or who maybe have a pre-existing condition that prevents them from buying private insurance.

Some day it could be you. you could lose your job through no fault of your own, and then have to figure out what COBRA is and see if you can afford it.

WTF you let AGB use your avitar, the shit your laying out there sounds as bad as his right now. Thats not you at all, whats up with that.....

What you have described is people that aren't working, let them get out in the market place and work 2 or 3 jobs to pay for what they want. No more cable T.V., cell phone, computer, sell all their toys, no drinking, smoking, restaurants, walk every place you can, turn the heat down in the winter, air off in the summer, mow some lawns on the weekend, quit drinking sodas and red bulls or monsters, buy your clothes at garage sales or the salvation army, no smoking any bud, sell your car with the car payment and buy a car for cash and old ugly one that you don't look cool in.

Sorry but I'm still stuck on people won't do what they need to.
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We have found that if your procedure in North America will cost $6,000 or less, it is generally not financially advantageous to travel abroad for treatment. Once you add on airfare, hotel accommodations, and other travel essentials, the net price of your procedure may exceed what you will pay at home.

You can get medical anywhere for $1,000.00 a month I get promotions almost daily for medical insurance for familys pre existing conditions not a factor for $350.00 a month.
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