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Old August 11th, 2009, 10:52 PM   #61
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Insurance is expensive, but its a luxury that is not owed to you by the government, or your employer....
I thank you for thinking like a true American. I applaud you, sir.
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Old August 11th, 2009, 10:54 PM   #62
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Anyone that would trust the government for health care is either stupid or naive.

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Old August 11th, 2009, 11:13 PM   #63
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scroll up, see post 53....or you can go to page one, post 8, its there as well
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‘‘(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice, and benefits for such services and supports that are available under this title.
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One who practices something, especially an occupation, profession, or technique.
This means that the Doctor, not the government is doing this.

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honestly, even though I do not support this bill in any way, I do agree that there are alot of lies on the net and in the media about it, coming from both sides. None of those lies are the main reason why I will not support this bill. My biggest reason, and dispute it if you think you can, is that this is a socialist move, and we all know that once the federal government gets thier foot in the door on something like that, they will push thier way further in. Maybe you should try reading, along with this new bill, an old book called "The Communist Manifesto" by a man named Karl Marx...it might look a bit familiar to what we are seeing now.
No, there is no disputing that this is a move towards socialism. But I think healthcare is one area where neither pure capitalism nor pure socialism is the best solution.
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Old August 11th, 2009, 11:17 PM   #64
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practitioner, who gets paid from the hospital, clinic, or other medical provider that they work for, who in turn gets thier money from...if this bill were to pass...the federal government

since they are paying his wages, do you really think they will not distribute some form of "prefered responses" that the practitioner is suposed to follow?




so if you think "neither pure capitalism nor pure socialism is the best solution" , then why would you vote for a socialist move, which is in direct conflict with the base ideals behind the Constitution and the founding fathers of this country?

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Old August 11th, 2009, 11:22 PM   #65
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No, there is no disputing that this is a move towards socialism. But I think healthcare is one area where neither pure capitalism nor pure socialism is the best solution.
So why not go for changing regulation on health insurance providers instead of government run health care, government mandates on what type of insurance you have and that you are forced to comply of face fines?

Lets make insurance companies provide services they are getting paid for instead of telling us what we need.
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practitioner, who gets paid from the hospital, clinic, or other medical provider that they work for, who in turn gets thier money from...if this bill were to pass...the federal government

since they are paying his wages, do you really think they will not distribute some form of "prefered responses" that the practitioner is suposed to follow?

They will follow the money.

http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/111/pdf/publications/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf

On page 879-880, the bill states that the Secretary of Health and Human Services

"shall make grants to, or enter into contracts with, eligible entities . . . to operate a professional training program in the field of family medicine, general internal medicine, general pediatrics, or geriatrics, to provide financial assistance and traineeships and fellowships to those students, interns, residents or physicians who plan to work in or teach in the field of family medicine, general internal medicine, general pediatrics, or geriatrics."

On page 881-882 the bill states:

"In awarding grants or contracts under this section, the Secretary shall give preference to entities that have a demonstrated record of the following: . . . Training individuals who are from underrepresented minority groups or disadvantaged backgrounds."

On page 883 the bill states:

"The Secretary shall make grants to, or enter into contracts with, eligible entities . . . to operate or participate in an established primary care residency training program, which may include-(A) planning and developing curricula; (B) recruitment and training of residents; and (C) retention of faculty."

On page 884-885 the bill states:

"In awarding grants and contracts . .... . the Secretary shall give preference to entities that have a demonstrated record of training . . . individuals who are from underrepresented minority groups or disadvantaged backgrounds . . . ...."

On page 887-889 the bill states that the

"Secretary shall make grants to, or enter into contracts with, eligible entities . . . to operate a professional training program for oral health professionals, to provide financial assistance and traineeships and fellowships to those professionals who plan to work in or teach general, pediatric, or public health dentistry, or dental hygiene, to establish, maintain, or improve academic administrative units (including departments, divisions, or other appropriate units) in the specialties of general, pediatric, or public health dentistry, to operate a loan repayment program for full-time faculty in a program of general, pediatric, or public health dentistry."

On page 889-890 the bill states:

"In awarding grants or contracts under this section, the Secretary shall give preference to entities that have a demonstrated record of the following: . . . Training individuals who are from underrepresented minority groups or disadvantaged backgrounds."

On page 908-909 the bill states: "The Secretary shall award grants and contracts to eligible entities" to do the same things for the field of public health as the Secretary can do for dentistry.

On page 909 the bill states:

"In awarding grants or contracts under this section, the Secretary shall give preference to entities that have a demonstrated record of the following: . . . Training individuals who are from underrepresented minority groups or disadvantaged backgrounds."

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Old August 11th, 2009, 11:40 PM   #67
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practitioner, who gets paid from the hospital, clinic, or other medical provider that they work for, who in turn gets thier money from...if this bill were to pass...the federal government

since they are paying his wages, do you really think they will not distribute some form of "prefered responses" that the practitioner is suposed to follow?
So you prefer your doctors taking orders from Insurance companies? Since they are currently pay the doctors wages the doctors must be doing exactly what they want right?

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so if you think "neither pure capitalism nor pure socialism is the best solution" , then why would you vote for a socialist move, which is in direct conflict with the base ideals behind the Constitution and the founding fathers of this country?
Because our current system has given us sky high costs for a system that could leave you with nothing.
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Old August 12th, 2009, 06:52 AM   #68
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So you prefer your doctors taking orders from Insurance companies? Since they are currently pay the doctors wages the doctors must be doing exactly what they want right?

WOW thats a strong statement seeing as Obamas plan is INSURANCE. With his plan they can take orders fromthe socialist controlled Insurance companies, You have got to be kidding.....



Because our current system has given us sky high costs for a system that could leave you with nothing.

The Plan Obama is trying to shove down your throat Sucks.
Insurance is high and it's not a right.
Medical attention is high because of supply and demand. Just like every other commodity we purchase.

How can you offer any support to something the government is wanting to force you to take part in. At least at this point you have the option not to participate.
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You are all arguing over wheither it's the government, your doctor, or your insurance company that has the right to make medical decisions for you. It misses the main issue.

You and you alone have that right and the government has no power to remove your right to choice by law or by force.

As it should be, you can exercise that right to make your own choices and as a result you must take on the responsibility to pay for the decisions you make.

The law as written disconnects the right and the responsibility, handing one to one group(politicians) and the other to another group(tax payers).

By supporting this bill you will be trading your liberty for a false security.
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Old August 12th, 2009, 04:55 PM   #70
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Try this.
If you want what I have work for it the way I do.
If you want the health insurance I have and I pay for work for it the way I do.
If you can't or more importantly WON'T, then you can't have it.
Just because I do what I have to do to make the money I make to spend on what I want and you may want those things dosen't mean I have to provide them to you or that you can have them... Boo Hoo Hoo
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I was speaking with the HVAC guy that finished up our AC today. He is one of the company owners and has known my bro for a while. He stated that he is hoping that the healthcare plan will help him out with is business they won't be spending as much as they do for their emplyee's plans.

I just told him that I don't like the fact that people will start relying on the government for another thing and they will just start to control us more.
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I was speaking with the HVAC guy that finished up our AC today. He is one of the company owners and has known my bro for a while. He stated that he is hoping that the healthcare plan will help him out with is business they won't be spending as much as they do for their emplyee's plans.

I just told him that I don't like the fact that people will start relying on the government for another thing and they will just start to control us more.

HVAC guy is wrong....
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090813/..._care_protests

Looks like support is really falling off for Health care take over. And those yelling at town hall meetings are only doing so at reps. that won't listen and continue to push the take over position. Looking like won't be holding as many seats come 2010.
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Old August 12th, 2009, 10:37 PM   #74
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So with this news I can bet that the Dem's will now come up with more lies to tell about as to try an keep thier seats. We can only hope that the short term memory is long term and pepole don't forget what the agenda is from the far left
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