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Old August 5th, 2009, 09:13 PM   #1
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What a prick!!

So... i bought this TJ about two months ago in "good" condition. I have grown up around cars, and car lots. There are certain things you check with cars, and certain things you just assume work. I assumed the windshield wipers worked. I found out after I got home, and it started raining about two weeks after I got it, that they do not. I also assumed the tailgate stayed on the Jeep. Again, a few days after I got home, I opened it to put groceries in, and the damn thing fell off! The winner out of all of them though, is when I test drove it, the clutch seemed fine. In the few days between when I test drove it, and got him the cash, there were mysteriously 200 more miles on the jeep. When I drove it the first night, 14 miles out, my clutch went out, and I slowly got it home.

JUST now, I stood on the porch and the rear passenger side tire seemed a little low, so I jumped in and ran to the gas station to put air in, and the damn valve caps are stuck on. I came home and used a pair of Vice Grips on the actual stem part, and a pair of pliers to try to get the cap off, and it did nothing but tear up the grooves on the cap.

I tried to sue him over the price of the clutch, but my attorney has advised me that used car sales are as is, no case. I am wondering how MUCH I have to spend on this car before some kind of recourse becomes necessary. With the amount of money I've ALREADY spent on it, I am getting close to the price of a new TJ. What to do?
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Old August 5th, 2009, 09:16 PM   #2
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I know it sucks, but that's how it is with used cars.
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Old August 5th, 2009, 09:18 PM   #3
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Yeah, I know. I hope I can get the tire shop to put new valve stems in for me. What kind of fucking idiot would glue these on, or even get them on so tight that when you go to take the valve caps off, the whole stem moves???
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Old August 5th, 2009, 09:20 PM   #4
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same as with buying from other people that's why there are bill of sales..... sorry about your luck i've ran into such things... when i got my gf a XJ the front wiper washer doesnt spray fulid but the back does the .... and the heater motor only works on high... etc.
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Old August 5th, 2009, 09:20 PM   #5
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suck it up and enjoy owning a heep... I mean jeep.
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Old August 5th, 2009, 09:22 PM   #6
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my wipers didn't work when I bought mine too. an oversight I guess pulled the wiper motor apart and it had corrosion inside between the rotor and the stator.
that sucks about the clutch and tailgate though. I don't really think there is much you can do about it though. (not what you want to hear)
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Old August 5th, 2009, 09:25 PM   #7
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everybody automatically gets a 50/50 warranty. Once you drive away, if it breaks in half, you own both pieces sorry about your luck though, I work at a dealer and always encourage people to take the car to a mechanic to get inspected.
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Old August 5th, 2009, 09:29 PM   #8
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Sorry...that sux.

It is your responsibility to check that everything works.

We almost always buy used...and we go through the entire car, including horn, cruise, wipers, turn signals, brake lights, radio, seat belts, interior lights to make sure all that crap works...because its a pain in the butt to fix and it'll nickle and dime you to death.

(We check seat belts because we had a friend a few years ago whose dog ate through the webbing and then he sold the car as-is)
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Old August 5th, 2009, 09:29 PM   #9
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Sounds like he took it for a joyride between you looking at it and you paying for it. Is this guy a member here?
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Old August 5th, 2009, 09:31 PM   #10
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are the caps plastic? take a razorblade and cut it off. or apply a little heat.
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Old August 5th, 2009, 09:38 PM   #11
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are the caps plastic? take a razorblade and cut it off. or apply a little heat.
No, the caps are not plastic. Thanks for all the support. I hope he's not a member here, or he would have seen me dragging him through the mud (no pun intended) and see his old Jeep on my avatar.

I took a hobby hack saw out there, and cut a good part of the cap off, then used the Vice grips and pliers and FINALLY got it off. I'll post some pics tonight of the cap and stem, I want to know if you guys think it was glued on or not.

Is that common to glue your caps on so they don't fall off while wheeling?
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Old August 5th, 2009, 09:41 PM   #12
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metal caps seize on valve stems quite often, i put shiny metal ones on my brand new dodge over the winter with those new aluminum pressure sensing stems and had to replace 3 of them at 28 bucks a shot when i realized the caps were all stuck on.
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Old August 5th, 2009, 09:42 PM   #13
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oh yeah and unless buying from a dealer with a warranty its buyer beware
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Old August 5th, 2009, 09:53 PM   #14
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yeah i was wondering if they were glued on ....
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Old August 5th, 2009, 10:01 PM   #15
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Leaky valve stem... LET"S GLUE IT ON!
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Old August 5th, 2009, 10:03 PM   #16
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Leaky valve stem... LET"S GLUE IT ON!
haha yeah no kidding. The three that ARE on, are all glued on, the one that's missing has no residue at all on it. I'm assuming the guy did it just before he sold it to me.
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Old August 5th, 2009, 10:09 PM   #17
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Quit being a whiny "insert racial slur here" .
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Old August 5th, 2009, 10:11 PM   #18
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This is what I had to cut to get it off.


This is the stem. It almost looks like thread tape was used, but I've never heard of thread tape being used in this application, also I've never heard of thread tape causing things to seize like this. I plan on cutting the other two off tomorrow.
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Old August 5th, 2009, 10:17 PM   #19
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Wow!!!
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Old August 5th, 2009, 10:19 PM   #20
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Wow!!!
Yeah! No shit! I don't want to damage the valve stems trying to get these caps off, but I'm not sure what else to do. I'm just cutting them off now, and replacing them tomorrow. $5 for a set is better than $15 to remount the wheels with new valves.
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