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Old August 5th, 2009, 03:33 PM   #61
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Mc Donalds is essential?
Coca cola?
Mountain Dew?
How about gas?
A car
A house, isn't that essential, but they tax that.
I kind of look at it like the government is using their own form of discrimination by deciding what group of people will pay taxes.

I kinda remember something about taxes on tea and a revolution, the same thing is happening again.
None of those are essential. All are taxed.
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None of those are essential. All are taxed.
Im not sure that transportation isn't essential or a place to live. Also I do believe Mountain Dew would ring up as a grocery item. Any way the point I was trying to make was about the tea and the revolutionary war, the government is repeating history. The Government over taxing the un essential tea was a big factor in the revolutionary war.
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Im not sure that transportation isn't essential or a place to live. Also I do believe Mountain Dew would ring up as a grocery item. Any way the point I was trying to make was about the tea and the revolutionary war, the government is repeating history. The Government over taxing the un essential tea was a big factor in the revolutionary war.
Transportation and a place to live are essential. Cars and houses are not. And you're right, Coke and Mt. dew are not taxed in Michigan.

The issue with taxes leading up to the revolutionary war was not so much about what was taxes, nor how much, but rather the issue of taxation without representation.
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Im not sure that transportation isn't essential or a place to live. Also I do believe Mountain Dew would ring up as a grocery item. Any way the point I was trying to make was about the tea and the revolutionary war, the government is repeating history. The Government over taxing the un essential tea was a big factor in the revolutionary war.
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Transportation and a place to live are essential. Cars and houses are not. And you're right, Coke and Mt. dew are not taxed in Michigan.

The issue with taxes leading up to the revolutionary war was not so much about what was taxes, nor how much, but rather the issue of taxation without representation.



Bruce is correct.

The original Boston tea party was all about taxation without representation.

It just so happened that there was a shipment of tea available and since tea is such an integral part of British society it made a big statement.

Anybody who think the modern day tea parties are anything like the original need to look at history a little more.

We have representation. We vote in representatives at all levels of government and those people represent us when the vote for taxation comes up. At the dawn of this nation this did not exist.

If you have a problem with those representing you, vote them out. But don't cry when the majority does not agree with you (for whatever reason).
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You really believe that our politicans vote on taxes with our best interest at heart. Or as a matter of what the people really want.
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You really believe that our politicans vote on taxes with our best interest at heart. Or as a matter of what the people really want.
Did not say that. Simply said that the tea parties were about taxation without even the guise of representation.

Our system, as flawed as it is, still has it's check and balances, and ultimetly, the government and the politicians still answer to the people.
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Did not say that. Simply said that the tea parties were about taxation without even the guise of representation.

Our system, as flawed as it is, still has it's check and balances, and ultimetly, the government and the politicians still answer to the people.

Sorry I got confused when you wrote this.

We have representation. We vote in representatives at all levels of government and those people represent us when the vote for taxation comes up. At the dawn of this nation this did not exist.
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Sorry I got confused when you wrote this.

We have representation. We vote in representatives at all levels of government and those people represent us when the vote for taxation comes up. At the dawn of this nation this did not exist.

Exactly, except, not having representation brought on the dawn of this nation.

When the Constitution was ratified and the U.S. officially came into being (the dawn of this nation), representation was provided for in Article I, sec. 2.

I know, a picky detail.
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If the politicans are NOT voting in the best interest of the people or as a matter of what the people want, The people are NOT being represented.
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What's the tax rate on sleeping with my neighbor's wife? What about killing someone?
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What's the tax rate on sleeping with my neighbor's wife? What about killing someone?
It depends, is she hot, and did they person you kill deserve it?
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Bruce is correct.

The original Boston tea party was all about taxation without representation.

It just so happened that there was a shipment of tea available and since tea is such an integral part of British society it made a big statement.
Anybody who think the modern day tea parties are anything like the original need to look at history a little more.

We have representation. We vote in representatives at all levels of government and those people represent us when the vote for taxation comes up. At the dawn of this nation this did not exist.

If you have a problem with those representing you, vote them out. But don't cry when the majority does not agree with you (for whatever reason).
Original tea party was over tea tax not because tea was available for the party

On December 16, 1773, after officials in Boston refused to return three shiploads of taxed tea to Britain, a group of colonists boarded the ships and destroyed the tea by throwing it into Boston Harbor. The incident remains an iconic event of American history, and has often been referenced in other political protests.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party

As to modern tea party they can call it what they want but don't forget
1st amendment the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
So if people are pissy over spending or taxes between elections they can protest as long as they do so peaceably. But some liberals may want to bring back Sedition Acts.
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It's bullshit i have to pay 6.25 a deck for my squares.. now they're gonna up it AGAIN. My father was paying a dollar for 2 packs when he was my age. tsk tsk tsk...
wtf is a square? seriously. last i checked they were cylindrical in shape??
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