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Old August 5th, 2009, 12:27 PM   #41
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Car tax? Done, it's called title and registration fees. Also the sales tax when you bought it.
Air tax? Glasses tax? facial hair tax? Bald tax? No, because these things do not cost society anything, and mostly aren't things you can just not do.
I was being sarcastic, increasing taxes while in the midst of a modern day depression is idiotic to say the least. (imo)
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I say they make weed legal. It has no long term health effects if you you use a vaporizer and it's a way to get rid of drug dealers. If you think, why would you want normal weed from a drug dealer if you can buy high grade from the government? Something to think about ;)

I have been a proponent of this as well
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Old August 5th, 2009, 12:45 PM   #43
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The government wouldn't need so much money if they didn't piss so much of it away. What cost does alcohol exert on society? If you are not a fall down knock out drunk, you usually don't have health problems. And, even if you did, I pay for health insurance for a reason.

Whats next? A car tax just because you own one? An air tax just because you breathe it? Lets tax people who wear glasses while we're at it, and people with facial hair too. What about bald people, they save money on hair cuts, so they should pay a bald tax too.
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Car tax? Done, it's called title and registration fees. Also the sales tax when you bought it.
Air tax? Glasses tax? facial hair tax? Bald tax? No, because these things do not cost society anything, and mostly aren't things you can just not do.

Sad thing, I have seen this kind of argument on the floor of the US House and Senate.

Take a topic and get outrageous with examples of it going to far in order to scare peopl einto agreeing with you.

Cash for Cluckers? Click here and go to about 3:15 minutes in:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mo...aster-rebators

Yea, I know, the Daily show, leftist, marxist, communist, showing actual footage of congressmen speaking on the record.
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Why is that so funny? I also support the legalization of prostitution.

It needs to be done in a controlled fashion, but I a supporter of legalizing both.
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Car tax? Done, it's called title and registration fees. Also the sales tax when you bought it.
Air tax? Glasses tax? facial hair tax? Bald tax? No, because these things do not cost society anything, and mostly aren't things you can just not do.
Actually companies pay a tax on their pollutants, so indirectly we pay for an air tax...............Oh and lets not forget. If you live in Lansing or Ann Arbor, you pay a Rain Tax. Its a charge on storm water run-off from your property into the public storm sewer. So not only did you have to pay to build it, but you pay to allow it to work properly.
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Old August 5th, 2009, 01:26 PM   #47
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taxes are never the answer, but politicians always think it is. So when the raise the tax on beer and cigs so much that people really cut back drinking and smoking, how are they going to replace that revenue? Oh that's right, another tax. With this huge push towards high MPG cars, all the "lost" tax dollars per gallon, what are they going to do? Oh that's right tax more and other things. If you raise taxes it puts strain on industries and customers will go elsewhere or just go away completely! Complete government reform is the only way anything will get done.

What is the ultimate goal here? For Americans shell out 75% of their paychecks to tax?

I don't smoke, but do drink. I have always opposed increasing taxes for cigs. If they hit that industry they can hit any industry. What is next fast food tax? Dining out tax?
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Old August 5th, 2009, 01:35 PM   #48
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Why is that so funny? I also support the legalization of prostitution.

It needs to be done in a controlled fashion, but I a supporter of legalizing both.
Why is it funny? Because you are the hardest person I have ever had to read. Talk about a league of there own.
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Old August 5th, 2009, 01:41 PM   #49
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I was being sarcastic, increasing taxes while in the midst of a modern day depression is idiotic to say the least. (imo)
Just trying to cut you off on your way down the slippery slope.

And I agree, this is a particularly bad time tobe increasing taxes.
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taxes are never the answer, but politicians always think it is. So when the raise the tax on beer and cigs so much that people really cut back drinking and smoking, how are they going to replace that revenue? Oh that's right, another tax. With this huge push towards high MPG cars, all the "lost" tax dollars per gallon, what are they going to do? Oh that's right tax more and other things. If you raise taxes it puts strain on industries and customers will go elsewhere or just go away completely! Complete government reform is the only way anything will get done.

What is the ultimate goal here? For Americans shell out 75% of their paychecks to tax?


I don't smoke, but do drink. I have always opposed increasing taxes for cigs. If they hit that industry they can hit any industry. What is next fast food tax? Dining out tax?
Yeah, isn't that what socialism is all about?
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taxes are never the answer, but politicians always think it is. So when the raise the tax on beer and cigs so much that people really cut back drinking and smoking, how are they going to replace that revenue? Oh that's right, another tax. With this huge push towards high MPG cars, all the "lost" tax dollars per gallon, what are they going to do? Oh that's right tax more and other things. If you raise taxes it puts strain on industries and customers will go elsewhere or just go away completely! Complete government reform is the only way anything will get done.

What is the ultimate goal here? For Americans shell out 75% of their paychecks to tax?

I don't smoke, but do drink. I have always opposed increasing taxes for cigs. If they hit that industry they can hit any industry. What is next fast food tax? Dining out tax?
Worse is that if you raise the tax to high you create a defacto prohibition as people will turn to bootleg sources for thier smokes and booze to avoid hte tax and any attempts at regulating and taxing are lost.

And yes, for those of you keeping score at home, I am now arguing both sides of the issue.
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Why is it funny? Because you are the hardest person I have ever had to read. Talk about a league of there own.
Why do you think I despise labels so much?

I have said it before, I lean left, right or stand in the middle all depending on the topic. I can not be shoe horned into a Con or Lib group.
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Old August 5th, 2009, 02:06 PM   #53
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No I would not.

There are certain products that are essential to sustaining life and being a part of society. Food is an example. Food is not taxed (at the consumer level) because of this.

Cigarettes are an indulgence. They are not essential. And furthermore, they have been proven harmful to those who do not partake in them.

Mc Donalds is essential?
Coca cola?
Mountain Dew?
How about gas?
A car
A house, isn't that essential, but they tax that.
I kind of look at it like the government is using their own form of discrimination by deciding what group of people will pay taxes.

I kinda remember something about taxes on tea and a revolution, the same thing is happening again.
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Worse is that if you raise the tax to high you create a defacto prohibition as people will turn to bootleg sources for thier smokes and booze to avoid hte tax and any attempts at regulating and taxing are lost.

And yes, for those of you keeping score at home, I am now arguing both sides of the issue.

You crazy politican you.
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Why do you think I despise labels so much?

I have said it before, I lean left, right or stand in the middle all depending on the topic. I can not be shoe horned into a Con or Lib group.
You should be sreaming your guts out for support of a third party.
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It's bullshit i have to pay 6.25 a deck for my squares.. now they're gonna up it AGAIN. My father was paying a dollar for 2 packs when he was my age. tsk tsk tsk...
When I was in the Navy a few decades ago, I smoked non-filter Lucky Strikes which cost about $3.50 a carton in the local stores. When our ship was at sea in international waters, I could buy "tax free" smokes in the ship's store for $2.00 a carton.

On one carrier I was on (USS Oriskany), it turned out that I was the only one on the whole ship who smoked Luckies. Since I was the CMAA aboard, the Supply Officer came to me and said that it was using too much space in the storeroom just to carry one brand of smokes for me. He offered to sell me his only case of Luckies for $15.00 and I took him up on it. That's 30 cartons of cigarettes at 50 cents a carton, or a nickel a pack. I bought the case and filled my desk with cartons of Luckies.

As it happened, I quit smoking a week or two later. I tried to sell the Luckies, but nobody would buy them. I tried to give them away, but nobody wanted them. I wound up tossing them off the fantail the next time we were at sea!
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You should be sreaming your guts out for support of a third party.
Most "third" parties I have seen so far are just more of one or the other existing parties. They just seem to focus on a small part of the equation.

I would support a multiple party system, why stop at 3?
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When I was in the Navy a few decades ago, I smoked non-filter Lucky Strikes which cost about $3.50 a carton in the local stores. When our ship was at sea in international waters, I could buy "tax free" smokes in the ship's store for $2.00 a carton.

On one carrier I was on (USS Oriskany), it turned out that I was the only one on the whole ship who smoked Luckies. Since I was the CMAA aboard, the Supply Officer came to me and said that it was using too much space in the storeroom just to carry one brand of smokes for me. He offered to sell me his only case of Luckies for $15.00 and I took him up on it. That's 30 cartons of cigarettes at 50 cents a carton, or a nickel a pack. I bought the case and filled my desk with cartons of Luckies.

As it happened, I quit smoking a week or two later. I tried to sell the Luckies, but nobody would buy them. I tried to give them away, but nobody wanted them. I wound up tossing them off the fantail the next time we were at sea!
You think you would have waited to quit until you smoked the rest of your supply.
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You crazy politican you.
Yep, I can flip-flop with the best of 'em.
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Most "third" parties I have seen so far are just more of one or the other existing parties. They just seem to focus on a small part of the equation.

I would support a multiple party system, why stop at 3?
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