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Old August 3rd, 2009, 07:02 AM   #1
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Default Obama's birth certificate?? Lawyers have a copy of the one from Kenya

The document lists Obama's parents as Barack Hussein Obama and Stanley Ann Obama, formerly Stanley Ann Dunham, the birth date as Aug. 4, 1961, and the hospital of birth as Coast General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.








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Why that looks....................................authentic!!!
right down to the 48 year old booger stain.
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So if this is real which it looks to be, what if anything will come of it? as much as I would like to see him go before he does anymore damage. Then who's next Biden?
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So if this is real which it looks to be, what if anything will come of it? as much as I would like to see him go before he does anymore damage. Then who's next Biden?
The most we can hope for stopping a second term.
The best would be exposing him for a fraud.
I'm sure this is a fake.

I want to see the page from the book 44B, page 5733.
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There is talk that Kenya didn't declare a Republic until Dec of 1964. If that is true then this would likely be a fake.
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From another site and all visible on the supposed document and part of history:

Kenya was a Dominion the date this certificate was allegedly issued and would not become a republic for 8 months.

Mombasa belonged to Zanzibar when Obama was born, not Kenya.

Obama's father's village would be nearer to Nairobi, not Mombasa.

The number 47O44-- 47 is Obama's age when he became president, followed by the letter O (not a zero) followed by 44--he is the 44th president.

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I find it interesting that some of you would very quickly believe a document like this and not an official document produced by one of the 50 states.

Oh, and even Karl Rove said this is probably a fake.
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From another site and all visible on the supposed document and part of history:

Kenya was a Dominion the date this certificate was allegedly issued and would not become a republic for 8 months.

Mombasa belonged to Zanzibar when Obama was born, not Kenya.

Obama's father's village would be nearer to Nairobi, not Mombasa.

The number 47O44-- 47 is Obama's age when he became president, followed by the letter O (not a zero) followed by 44--he is the 44th president.

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I find it interesting that some of you would very quickly believe a document like this and not an official document produced by one of the 50 states.

Oh, and even Karl Rove said this is probably a fake.
Go read the bottom line of the "birth certificate" that was supposedly released from hawaii.

Then report back with your findings.
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Go read the bottom line of the "birth certificate" that was supposedly released from hawaii.

Then report back with your findings.

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This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding. [HRS 338-13(b),338-19

In case anybody is wondering what HRS 338-13 and 19 are:


http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscur..._0338-0013.htm
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§338-13 Certified copies. (a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.

(b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18.

(c) Copies may be made by photography, dry copy reproduction, typing, computer printout or other process approved by the director of health. [L 1949, c 327, §17; RL 1955, §57-16; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-13; am L 1978, c 49, §1]


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§338-19 Photostatic or typewritten copies of records. The department of health is authorized to prepare typewritten, photostatic, or microphotographic copies of any records and files in its office, which by reason of age, usage, or otherwise are in such condition that they can no longer be conveniently consulted or used without danger of serious injury or destruction thereof, and to certify to the correctness of such copies. The typewritten, photostatic, or microphotographic copies shall be competent evidence in all courts of the State with like force and effect as the original. [L 1949, c 327, §23; RL 1955, §57-22; am L 1957, c 8, §1; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-19]

Supposedly released from Hawaii? The director of the department of health and the governor are just a couple of hawaiins that I can think of that confirm there is a record and this document is evidence of that document according to Hawaii state law.


So, Kelly, what is your point?

What I found is an official document from the state of hawaii. And the state law verifying that this is an allowable way to preset it. (338-13)
I also found that a typewritten copy of an original document issued by that state is perfectly acceptable as legal evidence of the original documents existence when the original is determined to be under threat of damage if physically hadled outside of the storage facility. (338-19)

Everything that I have read, heard and seen indicates that Obama has fulfilled all legal obligations to prove his citizenship. Verified by third parties over and over again. Declared with legal documents issued by the state of his birth.


Why still the denial?


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Main Entry: prima facie
Function: adjective
Date: 1800
1 : true, valid, or sufficient at first impression : apparent <the theory…gives a prima facie solution — R. J. Butler>
2 : self-evident
3 : legally sufficient to establish a fact or a case unless disproved <prima facie evidence>

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Pete. I know who released it. But please read the bottom line of the birth certificate.


Here is the copy released:



NOW READ THE BOTTOM LINE ON THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE


IT IS INVALID
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Health care anybody, is obama and his family going to utilize his new plan for health care?
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Health care anybody, is obama and his family going to utilize his new plan for health care?

theres no time for real issues. We're too busy beating this dead horse.

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the font in the Hawaii birth certificate looks like it was done on a computer.... I was born in 1980 and mine was off of a typewriter. Seems kinda weird
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the font in the Hawaii birth certificate looks like it was done on a computer.... I was born in 1980 and mine was off of a typewriter. Seems kinda weird


Not only that, but it would show the imprint from the typewriter keys, not to mention the Halo that should be around each letter. I love this.

Where can I get a look at this image in 10Meg resolution? I love how the background pattern is not remotely distorted either. This paper has been completely flat for 48 years.

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Pete. I know who released it. But please read the bottom line of the birth certificate.


Here is the copy released:



NOW READ THE BOTTOM LINE ON THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE


IT IS INVALID

What was altered?


Are you trying to say that this document, in the fact that it is not a direct duplicate of the original, makes it altered and invalid? People beleive you when you say things like that?

If what was printed on that document was altered, then it would be invalid. And I have not seen anyone say that this document itself has been altered.

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the font in the Hawaii birth certificate looks like it was done on a computer.... I was born in 1980 and mine was off of a typewriter. Seems kinda weird


HRS 338-13(c) (as I posted above) allows the reproduction of the document by computer. Not weird at all.

What you see there is the document that was produced by the state of Hawaii to prove birth. It was not printed in 1961.

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What was altered?

The black box.
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The black box.


Wow, if that is what he is getting at, he is really stretching now.
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Lets just add that the both Fonts look to be "Romans S" font. The form "type" allthough smaller is exactly the same font as the supposed "typewriter" font. I MEAN Identical.
This may or may not be the document that Obamas team is showing around, but I would bet my professional reputation that this Image is not from a document produced in 1961. This thing is definetly altered.
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It really dosen't matter at this point if he was born in Kenya. You have a situation where the stupid people of this country came out in force and put that goofy f**ker in office. Those same stupid people don't care about the constitution, bill of rights, or the requirements we have for being president. Those stupid people put a guy in office from an infomercial style campaign, they are all waiting for their free medical, house payments, free food, free cars, and a host of other things that will never happen.
There is nothing that could be produced that would convince the morons that support him that he was born anywhere but Hawaii, even it he was born somewhere else.....


Obama Sucks Ass and so does everbody that voted for him.
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Interesting you say that Toes, because I and many like me campaigned and voted for Obama because McCain would have been BAU on Bush's policies, several of which were aggregous assaults on our constitution. I would think that a guy like you would at least have to agree with the consitutional issues of the Bush administration.

Also, I and the people that campaigned with me are all gainfully employed, many small business owners, none of whom are looking for free anything, so your blanket label really doesn't work.

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