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Old August 4th, 2009, 07:39 PM   #21
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under 12 is fine on private property. on public land they should be a passenger.
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Old August 4th, 2009, 09:19 PM   #22
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Remember fellows, Michigans Designated ORV trail system is NOBDY'S race track and should not be treated like this by anyone. If you dont want the youth on the trail system because YOU as an adult want to CHALLENGE your skill level and put everyone else at risk who rides it, than you need to get off the trail and onto a D-14 race.
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I have been the "victim" of three different head-on collisions on Michigan ORV trails because some spodes were out training for a race. The trails are to enjoy, and that doesnt mean WFO.
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Old August 5th, 2009, 08:21 AM   #23
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I would disagree with you on that. Go ride any singletrack section of the MCCCT and tell me how much worse it could get from a quad.

Most ATV users I have met on the trail are out riding at safe speeds and not contributing to the whoops Michigan is famous for. There are exceptions, but I think ATVees are far less damaging to the trail than motorcycles (unless they try to ride singletrack and widen it up).

four wheelers are alot more destructive in my opinion because they do tear the land up easier than a dirt bike can. how often do you see dirt bikes running over trees to blaze new trails? plus theyre wider and are powering two or more tires thats double the destructive force as one dinky dirt bike tire. i do agree that dirt bikes do their own worth of damage though and will admit they do add whoops and burns to trails the i just dont think they as bad as quads. mainly do to the fact it typically takes two dirt bikes to make the same tracks as a quad
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Old August 5th, 2009, 09:24 AM   #24
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mainly do to the fact it typically takes two dirt bikes to make the same tracks as a quad
Blazing "new" trails is destructive, no matter who does it. As for leaving the same tracks, an ATV-width trail is exactly what we have a lot of in this state, so it shouldn't be a concern.

Also... an ATV-with trail gives motorcycles added room to go faster and damage the trail that much quicker. I know it may be hard to believe, but those big whoops out there are from spodes on MX bikes riding like they're in a harescramble. We ride our cycles on the trail ALOT. Almost 1500 trail miles this year so far - so I see every single type of rider out there - and I see how they ride.

Some guys on motorcycles would be better served to have a lightswitch instead of a throttle on their bikes. I have fun with them sometimes - I'll follow them if the trail is twisty - I ride very smooth and consistent and can keep up high average speeds without spinning my rear tire or locking my brakes into a turn. And that's exactly what I see most motorcycles doing that I follow; go balls-out, through all the gears they can until a turn comes - when they promptly lock their rear tire up and slide into the turn - then it is a bunch of furious downshifting so they can put the hammer down and go through the gears until the next turn.

The whole time, I'm behind them on my 300, in third gear and they can't lose me. Sure, they'll pull away going through the gears over whooped out areas, but I motor over the whoops while maintaining control and don't have to slow down very much to carry my speed through the turn. That's where I catch everybody - in the turns, trying like crazy to get me off their tail. I usually will pressure someone like this until they stop for a rest and pull off their helmet. I just wave and keep going. They try to catch up, but after about a mile in the twisties, they can't see me anymore.

The whole time those guys are riding that crazy, their long-travel suspension is just ripping up the trail and making the whooped-out sections worse. We use trials tires to help preserve the trails and not dig into the dirt (trials tires grab, MX tires dig).
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Old August 5th, 2009, 12:21 PM   #25
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kids under 12 should not be on the trails....private ok race track ok. trails no. there are too many factors for them to get hurt and way too many miles between towns. when the ccc did the rights of spring at whiskey creek they always had marked kids loops with training in the field before the ride...that is a good choice. if they have kids in the trail ,it should be a 1 way kids trail.
scooter... any trail any time!!!!!
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uhh oooh i smell a challenge.... but its kind of defeating the purpose of no racing on orv trails
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Old August 5th, 2009, 03:12 PM   #27
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scooter... any trail any time!!!!!
no thanks. I don't race on trails. I ride quick and in control, but I'm never over 75% out there. You want a race, throw a leg over a bicycle and we'll ride a one-way mountainbike trail. We'll get a workout and won't kill anybody if we run into them.
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Old August 6th, 2009, 09:42 AM   #28
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ol red I rode dirt bikes Cr's and xr's in the late 70's and 80's when there was not any four wheelers and the trails were whooped up then and the berms where big I think why four wheelers get a bad rap because there so many riding them now and realy they not any safer than 2 wheels
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