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Old July 13th, 2009, 06:57 AM   #41
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You have got it wrong nugget, the muslims like america, it is ripe for thier pickings, they want to populate america as to over take and control through islam, have you not seen what is happening in europe, france is 50% muslim.
The people with the camera were trying to make a point, ask a question and get an answer. They did not get an answer because what the muslims are trying to do is convert people to islam through disception, hence the wording islam and terrorism. It is the western world that is the terrorist to the muslims, so they think, but we are not cutting off thier heads because they do not see things our way. The documentation you talk about is to show that the muslims are trying to hide something. Tha is why they did not want what they were to say on camera. Look at act17.net again
And a muslim group would not go to a Jesus fest, maybe one at a time. Do you know that if a muslim converts to Christianity it is the duty of other muslims to KILL the one who left the religion of islam. As a Christian would accept a muslim and tell them about God and not as you put it a boot up thier ass
Did you know that according to the bible:

1. You should kill non-believers?

Exodus 22:17 You shall not permit a sorceress to live.

2. You should kill gays?

Leviticus 20:13 NAB "If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives."

You can come up with equivalent stupid/violent shit from the bible. So when you put down Islam for being a religion of violence, you are being a hypocrite.
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Old July 13th, 2009, 08:18 AM   #42
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Did you know that according to the bible:

1. You should kill non-believers?

Exodus 22:17 You shall not permit a sorceress to live.

2. You should kill gays?

Leviticus 20:13 NAB "If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives."

You can come up with equivalent stupid/violent shit from the bible. So when you put down Islam for being a religion of violence, you are being a hypocrite.

Yep Aber61 Mike say's your a hypocrite because of whats in the bible. Thats all I need to hear, we have justification for 9/11, the railroad bombing in Europe and every other terrroist attact from muslims. It's all good now......
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Old July 13th, 2009, 08:36 AM   #43
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They went to a festival with every intention of stirring up trouble. Your speculating Security had every right to ask they to leave. Wrong, it was a public event on public property, security was private.Thats what there their for. If I was at a 4 wheeling event and Greenpeace and the Sierra Club showed up and started stirring up trouble I would want the right to ask them to leave also. On public land you don't have the right to make them leave anymore than they have the right to make you leave, thats why its called public property

As for the "battery" I call BS. I don't recall seeing Judge infront of your name Anyone else find it interesting that although they claimed to have been "hit" 16 times they only managed to record actual contact one or twice? I think sound effects were added during editing to make it sound like they were actually hit when most seen to have been little more than an incidental touch. Speculation

As for the right to video tape, sure, I guess they have that right, but the guy in the question booth has the right to ask that they stop taping, to refuse to talk while being taped, and to put his hand in front of the camera. Nice, the only one who was denied all the things you said they had a right to do was the filming.

As for how the security crew handled it I think they did a pretty god job except for the one guard that kept swatting at the camera. According to you the camera was only touched 2 times. The crew chief was doing a great job, instructing his people to not tough them, at times placing himself between his crew and them, and herding then towards the police to let them handle it. His only downfall was making threats that he couldn't legally carry out. Seems to me it would have made more sense for security to go get a cop and bring them in the fair so the could see what was going on.

I think the woman on the radio was correct, following someone around with a camera would fit the definition of "harassment".
I think a ton of celeberties feel the same way, but the courts don't see it that way, especially when your in public. Like at a fair, on a public road.


If you believe your right and are comfortable with why you believe your right why get so uptight about talking to someone about what you believe, even if it is on camera, especially when your at a booth in a public setting with a big sign that says ask questions.
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Old July 13th, 2009, 04:57 PM   #44
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Did you know that according to the bible:

1. You should kill non-believers?

Exodus 22:17 You shall not permit a sorceress to live.

2. You should kill gays?

Leviticus 20:13 NAB "If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives."

You can come up with equivalent stupid/violent shit from the bible. So when you put down Islam for being a religion of violence, you are being a hypocrite.

According to the Holy Bible from what I understand as Christains no we are not suppose to kill anybody. As for your quotes from Exodus and Leviticus those books are from the old testiment and do not apply to today as we are saved from the law through Jesus Christ.
And before you begin to defend islam you should at least read the coran and understand it, as for the Holy Bible also. But I would not expect you to understand it because it says man cannot comprehend the words of God until you are born again.
And yes I am a hypocrite and so are you. I am not perfect nor do I claim to be. We all mess up, or did you miss the big red banned logo as my avitar
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Old July 13th, 2009, 08:56 PM   #45
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According to the Holy Bible from what I understand as Christains no we are not suppose to kill anybody. As for your quotes from Exodus and Leviticus those books are from the old testiment and do not apply to today as we are saved from the law through Jesus Christ.
And before you begin to defend islam you should at least read the coran and understand it, as for the Holy Bible also. But I would not expect you to understand it because it says man cannot comprehend the words of God until you are born again.
And yes I am a hypocrite and so are you. I am not perfect nor do I claim to be. We all mess up, or did you miss the big red banned logo as my avitar
So then you don't follow the ten commandments (old testament)?
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So then you don't follow the ten commandments (old testament)?
I do try my best to follow the ten commandments. But the law from the old testiment you are talking about Levidical law. The book of Levidocas is about the rules and laws by which the Jews were to live by. those rules were written by the Jewish priests, the religious ones. The ten comandments were written by God for man to follow. I hope this answers your question. This is how I understand it.
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I do try my best to follow the ten commandments. But the law from the old testiment you are talking about Levidical law. The book of Levidocas is about the rules and laws by which the Jews were to live by. those rules were written by the Jewish priests, the religious ones. The ten comandments were written by God for man to follow. I hope this answers your question. This is how I understand it.

Your wasting your time. It's like talking to a stick.......
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I do try my best to follow the ten commandments. But the law from the old testiment you are talking about Leviticus law. The book of Leviticus is about the rules and laws by which the Jews were to live by. those rules were written by the Jewish priests, the religious ones. The ten commandments were written by God for man to follow. I hope this answers your question. This is how I understand it.
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Old July 14th, 2009, 08:31 AM   #49
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Old July 14th, 2009, 11:35 AM   #50
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Your wasting your time. It's like talking to a stick.......
x2, he's never read the Bible so really doesn't have a firm grasp on how it was put together. He just takes tid bits to make him feel better about how he is living his life in denial of the lake of fire.

Nice try though. I haven't giving up and althought I might be wasting my time I sure don't feel that way because I don't believe he is a waste.
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x2, he's never read the Bible so really doesn't have a firm grasp on how it was put together. He just takes tid bits to make him feel better about how he is living his life in denial of the lake of fire.

Nice try though. I haven't giving up and althought I might be wasting my time I sure don't feel that way because I don't believe he is a waste.
I don't need to read the whole thing, after reading the parts about condoning slavery and stoning people, I can come to the conclusion that it is a book I don't want to style my life after. If it is a perfect book written by a loving god I wouldn't think it would have those things in it. I am more moral than your "god", therefore I don't find it to be divinely inspired. :)
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x2, he's never read the Bible so really doesn't have a firm grasp on how it was put together. He just takes tid bits to make him feel better about how he is living his life in denial of the lake of fire.

Nice try though. I haven't giving up and althought I might be wasting my time I sure don't feel that way because I don't believe he is a waste.
I never said give up. If you look at Sovas posts over the last year or so theres a big change. Mike is always good for making you think about whayou say.

I think he sometimes just stirs the pot for shits and grins......

The ass wipe is probably an ultra conservative bible thumping racists.........
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I don't need to read the whole thing, after reading the parts about condoning slavery and stoning people, I can come to the conclusion that it is a book I don't want to style my life after. If it is a perfect book written by a loving god I wouldn't think it would have those things in it. I am more moral than your "god", therefore I don't find it to be divinely inspired. :)
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I don't need to read the whole thing, after reading the parts about condoning slavery and stoning people, I can come to the conclusion that it is a book I don't want to style my life after. If it is a perfect book written by a loving god I wouldn't think it would have those things in it. I am more moral than your "god", therefore I don't find it to be divinely inspired. :)

You see what I mean about Mikes changing. He is now intertwining his life with god by making comparisons of himself to god.

We all know we are created in gods image and Mike supports that and recognizes it........

I'am so happy with the changes I see in him, and I know he is to.

Mike Sova you are an inspiration.
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I don't need to read the whole thing, after reading the parts about condoning slavery and stoning people, I can come to the conclusion that it is a book I don't want to style my life after. If it is a perfect book written by a loving god I wouldn't think it would have those things in it. I am more moral than your "god", therefore I don't find it to be divinely inspired. :)

Hows that recomendation letter comming?
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I don't need to read the whole thing, after reading the parts about condoning slavery and stoning people, I can come to the conclusion that it is a book I don't want to style my life after. If it is a perfect book written by a loving god I wouldn't think it would have those things in it. I am more moral than your "god", therefore I don't find it to be divinely inspired. :)
You must have overlooked the part when I said that, what Christ did for us we are no longer bound by the old law.
The part about slavery could and in those times meant that the induvidual owned them something (a debt) and they have to work it off, as you are a slave to your banker, credit card company and who ever you owe something to.
Stoning and punishment for crimes comitted, it still happens today.
Your morals, well if they had anything to do with it, which they don't, because it is not about you. Its about Jesus Christ and what can you do for Him? He put you here and He will take you away, As a thief in the night, you will not know when He will return.

Blasphamy was also a way to be killed, it stills go on today. With you compairing yourself to God, thats blasphamy, arn't you glad that we don't do that today in america?

In other countries today, you would not be so fortunate so.................

GOD BLESS AMERICA

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If he spells like his dad, he's gonna need one hell of a recommendation letter.
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You must have overlooked the part when I said that, what Christ did for us we are no longer bound by the old law.
The part about slavery could and in those times meant that the induvidual owned them something (a debt) and they have to work it off, as you are a slave to your banker, credit card company and who ever you owe something to.
Stoning and punishment for crimes comitted, it still happens today.
Your morals, well if they had anything to do with it, which they don't, because it is not about you. Its about Jesus Christ and what can you do for Him? He put you here and He will take you away, As a thief in the night, you will not know when He will return.

Blasphamy was also a way to be killed, it stills go on today. With you compairing yourself to God, thats blasphamy, arn't you glad that we don't do that today in america?

In other countries today, you would not be so fortunate so.................

GOD BLESS AMERICA
Everybody interprets it their own way I suppose. My vision of an all powerful god doesn't involve him being an asshole then a nice guy after he does a do-over by killing his son/himself.
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Everybody interprets it their own way I suppose. My vision of an all powerful god doesn't involve him being an asshole then a nice guy after he does a do-over by killing his son/himself.
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If he spells like his dad, he's gonna need one hell of a recommendation letter.

I'm counting on you.............

I make up for missed letters with additonal periods........

PM me with your address, home and cell phone along with the wifes (in case I get get ahold of you) and I'll go over some highlights you can put in the letter.

Thanks Mike, your the best.
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