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Old June 19th, 2010, 08:03 PM   #1
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Who is cashing these checks??? why can they not be gone after???




.Obama to agencies: Don't pay dead people
No more checks to the dead: Gov't creates 'do not pay' list to keep money from going astray


Buzzed! 1843 Print..Mark S. Smith, Associated Press Writer, On Friday June 18, 2010, 1:52 pm EDT
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Here's an idea, Uncle Sam: Stop writing checks to dead people.

The government sent benefit checks to 20,000 departed Americans over three years, totaling more than $180 million -- a remarkable number that provoked the Obama administration to create a government-wide "do not pay" list as part of its brainstorming for ways to save taxpayer money.

Once the database is up and running, agencies will have to search it before sending out payments. A pre-check check, so to speak.

"We're making sure that payments no longer go to the deceased -- it sounds ridiculous even to say it," acknowledged Vice President Joe Biden in describing the database.

Also planned for inclusion: contractors who've fallen behind in their payments or, even worse, landed in jail, and companies that have been suspended or otherwise deemed ineligible for government work.

"This stuff seems obvious on its face," Biden acknowledged. "The voters will go, 'My God, isn't that happening already?'"

In fact, the Social Security Administration does have what it calls a "Death Master File." But some other agencies don't routinely check it before issuing benefits. Ditto with the General Services Administration, which has an "Excluded Parties List System" for ineligible contractors.

An order signed by President Barack Obama on Friday would centralize the information from numerous sources.

The figures on payments to the deceased come courtesy of the White House Office of Management and Budget, which also says checks went to 14,000 convicted felons, both in jail and still on the lam. The three-year total there: $230 million.

With the federal debt mounting and red ink worries spreading in Europe, Obama is under increasing political pressure to cut spending sharply. Recently, he told federal agencies to come up with ways of trimming 5 percent from their budgets next year, and of saving billions in federal building costs.

Another cost-cutting measure announced Friday was an online fraud detection program for Medicare and Medicaid. OMB said those programs made $65 billion in erroneous payments last year.

The software, developed by officials charged with scrutinizing Obama's stimulus plan, was demonstrated for reporters by OMB Director Peter Orszag. A slide show portrayed auditors using it to discover that a number of contractors and subcontractors scheduled for payment by the government were in fact located in a single home. Plus, a satellite photo showed the home had a pool and a boat. "Suspicious," Orszag said.

The White House reckons improper payments of all kinds -- from outright fraud to checks to inmates to simply mistyped pay stubs -- totaled $110 billion in 2009.

"We think we have the tools now to take a real bite out of this," Biden said.
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Old June 19th, 2010, 11:21 PM   #2
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wait, I'm confused now. The Obama administration is doing something that makes sense? Did they include some rider or something to this that we dont know about?


gotta say though, it does make perfect sense to have a master "do not pay" list that all government agencies have access to, and must check before writing a check...I'm sure it will slow things down a bit, but at a cost savings of a couple hundred million dollars, I would say its worth it...unless they decide to setup a new agency to oversee the list and check it's accuracy, with a budget of 300 million per year...that sounds more like our governement, spend 300 million to save 200 million...
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wait, I'm confused now. The Obama administration is doing something that makes sense? Did they include some rider or something to this that we dont know about?


gotta say though, it does make perfect sense to have a master "do not pay" list that all government agencies have access to, and must check before writing a check...I'm sure it will slow things down a bit, but at a cost savings of a couple hundred million dollars, I would say its worth it...unless they decide to setup a new agency to oversee the list and check it's accuracy, with a budget of 300 million per year...that sounds more like our governement, spend 300 million to save 200 million...
That's exactly what will happen. It will end up costing more $$ than it saves, that is until they hire an ex Anderson accountant to calculate the billions of money they are saving taxpayers.
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Old June 20th, 2010, 08:40 PM   #4
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Who is cashing these checks???
The beneficiaries of dead soldiers in many cases. Survivor benefits.

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why can they not be gone after???
Because it is legal.
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The beneficiaries of dead soldiers in many cases. Survivor benefits.



Because it is legal.



Pay outs of death benefits to the legal beneficiaries are not what this is about.

It is about pay outs to the dead person, when those pay outs should have stopped (ie. no beneficiaries, or benefits that do not transfer after death).
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Old June 20th, 2010, 11:17 PM   #6
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I think it is like S.S. Checks. When my mom passed her checks still came but we sent them back saying she had passed. If people are cashing them it seems like they should have to pay it back out of estate or something.
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I think it is like S.S. Checks. When my mom passed her checks still came but we sent them back saying she had passed. If people are cashing them it seems like they should have to pay it back out of estate or something.
x2...my mothers social security checks came for almost a year after she passed, my sister and I both called several different numbers, countless times, trying to get them to understand, and correct the mistake (stop sending the checks) and it still took almost a year. I beleive my sister had to end up sending a copy of the death cert in order to get the checks stopped.
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Pay outs of death benefits to the legal beneficiaries are not what this is about.

It is about pay outs to the dead person, when those pay outs should have stopped (ie. no beneficiaries, or benefits that do not transfer after death).
I know what it is about. My point is that a blanket statement was made without sufficient clarification. Payments made to dead people are not all inappropriate. They need to make sure they don't fukc up if they create new legislature and not prematurely add dead soldiers to the list.
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I know what it is about. My point is that a blanket statement was made without sufficient clarification. Payments made to dead people are not all inappropriate. They need to make sure they don't fukc up if they create new legislature and not prematurely add dead soldiers to the list.
I would think that this would not be a problem since the checks are issued to LIVE people, not in the dead soldiers name.

In your example the checks would have never been sent to the soldier in the first place.
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I would think that this would not be a problem since the checks are issued to LIVE people, not in the dead soldiers name.

In your example the checks would have never been sent to the soldier in the first place.
Only after the Survivor Benefits are processed and go into effect. Payroll does not just cease when the soldier expires.
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Only after the Survivor Benefits are processed and go into effect. Payroll does not just cease when the soldier expires.
its gubberment, how long do you think it will take a to get a name on this list?
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its gubberment, how long do you think it will take a to get a name on this list?
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Getting it off five years.
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My mom told me to stick her in the freezer and take the checks from Chrysler for as long as I could
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so by the sounds of it the government has various list of people/companies that should not get payed that you have to look through instead of just simplifying the problem by removing them from payroll to begin with. genius! government over-complication at its finest.
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