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Old July 6th, 2009, 04:10 PM   #1
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Default move to repeal 22nd amendment, remove presidential term limits

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Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty-second article of amendment, thereby removing the limitation on the number of terms an individual may serve as President.
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Old July 6th, 2009, 04:22 PM   #2
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I'm sure the in power would love this, Oblabla for way to many years
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Old July 6th, 2009, 04:22 PM   #3
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of course, once they get 50.1% of the people dependent they will just keep electing our dictator. again america shows fail.

this is wrong on so many levels.
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Old July 6th, 2009, 04:24 PM   #4
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They needs to be term limits on all government positions.
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Old July 6th, 2009, 04:31 PM   #5
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Here is the jack ass that wrote the bill, look at some of the other stuff he has authored SCARY


http://serrano.house.gov/Biography.aspx
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Old July 6th, 2009, 04:32 PM   #6
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[robotvoice] I cannot wait until Obama he is our supreme leader [\end robotvoice]
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Old July 6th, 2009, 04:45 PM   #7
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we didn't have Term limits until the great depression(??), and very few presidents ever exceeded 2 terms anyway, i fail to see how this would make Obama be a president until he died?
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Bad idea


Now, looking at it in with the idea of Obama taking advantage of it, it would take too long.
Once it passes the House and Senate it then goes to the States themselves where a full 3/4 of the 50 United States must ratify any change to an Amendment to the Constitution. This all must take place within 7 years, if it does not, well, it just goes away and you have to start over.

I just don't see this going anywhere, regardless of who is in power.

Hell, Liberals would hurl with the idea of Jeb Bush or Sarah Palin running thing for life and Conservatives will vomit at the idea of Obama sticking around or Hillary running again.
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Old July 6th, 2009, 04:54 PM   #9
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we didn't have Term limits until the great depression(??), and very few presidents ever exceeded 2 terms anyway, i fail to see how this would make Obama be a president until he died?

Yes, you're right. We should have an executive branch with no limitations.

The 22nd amendment was ratified in 1951.
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This all must take place within 7 years, if it does not, well, it just goes away and you have to start over.

Last time i checked we voted for President every 4 years.
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Yes, you're right. We should have an executive branch with no limitations.

The 22nd amendment was ratified in 1951.
So in the 233 years this country has been around we've had term limits for 58 years, so how did this country survive without them? Well it did survive and actually succeeded


Not saying i want term limits lengthened/abolished, just saying that it seems not that important, so i'm unsure of why someone would want to change it.


And our culture is currently seeking instant gratification, so i don't see how he is going to get re-elected in 2012 unless the economy is fixed and the war(s) are settled.
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Bad idea


Now, looking at it in with the idea of Obama taking advantage of it, it would take too long.
Once it passes the House and Senate it then goes to the States themselves where a full 3/4 of the 50 United States must ratify any change to an Amendment to the Constitution. This all must take place within 7 years, if it does not, well, it just goes away and you have to start over.

I just don't see this going anywhere, regardless of who is in power.

Hell, Liberals would hurl with the idea of Jeb Bush or Sarah Palin running thing for life and Conservatives will vomit at the idea of Obama sticking around or Hillary running again.

And with that we can agree
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Old July 6th, 2009, 05:58 PM   #13
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Ummm... yeah about this amendment. I'm seeing something like what happened in Iran. J/K..... but seriously.
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Old July 6th, 2009, 06:08 PM   #14
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This has been brought up almost every time a president was elected since the amendment was first ratified. It's failed to pass before, it'll fail to pass again. Why?

In order for the Constitution to be amended, it requires 2/3 majority vote in the House, 2/3 vote in the Senate, or a Constitutional Convention called by 2/3 of State legislatures. 27 amendments ratified, none of which were by Convention.

After the amendment gains the needed support at the Federal level, it is passed down to the states, where 38 of 50 (roughly 3/4) have to vote in favor.

It's not an easy task, nor does it guarantee that we have to deal with Obama for the rest of our lives.
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Old July 7th, 2009, 06:29 AM   #15
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Same guy has been trying for years.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/termlimits.asp


"Although Rep. Serrano may be a Democrat, the rhetoric quoted above stating that the purpose of his proposal for repealing the 22nd amendment is specifically to "pave the way to make Barack Obama president for life" is not supported by the facts. Rep. Serrano has introduced the very same proposal to Congress every two years since 1997 (a total of seven times), regardless of which party was currently occupying the White House (and starting well before Barack Obama became involved in national politics). On the first two occasions (in 1997 and 1999) the incumbent president was a Democrat (Bill Clinton); on the next four occasions (2001, 2003, 2005, and again in 2007), the incumbent president was a Republican (George W. Bush). "

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" * Rep. Barney Frank of Massachusetts (Democrat): 1995, 1997, and 1999 (all during the presidency of Bill Clinton).

* Rep. David Dreier of California (Republican): 1997 (during the presidency of Bill Clinton).

* Rep. Jerrold Nadler of New York (Democrat): 1995 (during the presidency of Bill Clinton).

* Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky (Republican): 1995 (during the presidency of Bill Clinton).

* Rep. Guy Vander Jagt of Michigan (Republican): 1991 (during the presidency of George H.W. Bush).

* Rep. Martin Sabo of Minnesota (Democratic-Farmer-Labor): 1991 (during the presidency of George H.W. Bush).

According to our survey, not a single one of these proposals was ever so much as brought to a vote before Congress (they were all referred to committee and languished there), much less passed and sent to the states for ratification. "
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Old July 7th, 2009, 10:30 AM   #16
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Same guy has been trying for years.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/termlimits.asp


"Although Rep. Serrano may be a Democrat, the rhetoric quoted above stating that the purpose of his proposal for repealing the 22nd amendment is specifically to "pave the way to make Barack Obama president for life" is not supported by the facts. Rep. Serrano has introduced the very same proposal to Congress every two years since 1997 (a total of seven times), regardless of which party was currently occupying the White House (and starting well before Barack Obama became involved in national politics). On the first two occasions (in 1997 and 1999) the incumbent president was a Democrat (Bill Clinton); on the next four occasions (2001, 2003, 2005, and again in 2007), the incumbent president was a Republican (George W. Bush). "

Also..

" * Rep. Barney Frank of Massachusetts (Democrat): 1995, 1997, and 1999 (all during the presidency of Bill Clinton).

* Rep. David Dreier of California (Republican): 1997 (during the presidency of Bill Clinton).

* Rep. Jerrold Nadler of New York (Democrat): 1995 (during the presidency of Bill Clinton).

* Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky (Republican): 1995 (during the presidency of Bill Clinton).

* Rep. Guy Vander Jagt of Michigan (Republican): 1991 (during the presidency of George H.W. Bush).

* Rep. Martin Sabo of Minnesota (Democratic-Farmer-Labor): 1991 (during the presidency of George H.W. Bush).

According to our survey, not a single one of these proposals was ever so much as brought to a vote before Congress (they were all referred to committee and languished there), much less passed and sent to the states for ratification. "


Oh come on now, keep your facts to yourself. If we look at the facts, the right wingers can't blame Obama.............and then what will they do?
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Last time i checked we voted for President every 4 years.
And last time I checked a president could serve 2 terms, which would be 8 years, and as were half way through the first year it would have to get passed in about 7 years for Obama to run for a 3rd term.
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And last time I checked a president could serve 2 terms, which would be 8 years, and as were half way through the first year it would have to get passed in about 7 years for Obama to run for a 3rd term.
Yeah, I don't know how he didn't get that...




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Yes, you're right. We should have an executive branch with no limitations.

The 22nd amendment was ratified in 1951.
While I don't agree with repealing the 22nd amendment, I don't see how taking it away would give us an executive branch with no limitations...The President would still be democratically elected by the people. The executive branch would still be checked by the legislative and judicial branches. I think you're being a bit over-tic with your sarcasm.
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Yeah, I don't know how he didn't get that...
While I don't agree with repealing the 22nd amendment, I don't see how taking it away would give us an executive branch with no limitations...The President would still be democratically elected by the people. The executive branch would still be checked by the legislative and judicial branches. I think you're being a bit over-tic with your sarcasm.
well nobody is really checking anyone in washington. representatives are being threatened, bills rushed through without logic. everything is already without check and ruled by corruption.
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