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Old June 18th, 2006, 05:52 PM   #1
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i don't want to see another thread like this: http://www.greatlakes4x4.com/showthread.php?t=14048

so what I propose we do is to put together a short video showing the right way to attach straps together without using a clevis (whats commonly, but erroneously called a D ring). All it takes is a simple piece of wood. A rolled up magizine wuold work in a pinch.

Then if we could get it hosted somewhere for all to see maybe we can help prevent another needless tragedy.

I'll bring the proper equipment, I just need someone to video it and host it.
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Old June 18th, 2006, 05:59 PM   #2
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I don't have a camera nor a place to host it. But let me know if you need any help doing it Bruce. Maybe Sonic Jay could shoot it and Kelly could host it? Here is a good read on Pirate. it has just about everything you would need to know about proper recovery.
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Old June 18th, 2006, 06:01 PM   #3
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How about doing this at the pig gig and showing everyone the proper ways to hook things up etc. and someone could film and edit it from there. that way any questions etc that come up could be added also.

http://www.greatlakes4x4.com/showthread.php?t=12168

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Old June 18th, 2006, 06:07 PM   #4
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Tell me, why dont they just make a 3" x 60' strap? or 4" x 80'? there must be some safty issue with it. So would the same reason they dont make one that long still apply if we tie 2 30 footers together? Honest question I have tied them together but dont feel safe doing it.
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Old June 18th, 2006, 06:08 PM   #5
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Lots a good information there but I didn't see what I'm talking about.

My feeling about clevises is that the only think they should be used for is on a properly constructed clevis mount on the vehicle, or as an alternative to a hook on a winch.
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Old June 18th, 2006, 06:11 PM   #6
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How about doing this at the pig gig and showing everyone the proper ways to hook things up etc. and someone could film and edit it from there. that way any questions etc that come up could be added also.

http://www.greatlakes4x4.com/showthread.php?t=12168
We definatly should have a demonstration there, but I'd like to get something done sooner than that.
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Old June 18th, 2006, 06:17 PM   #7
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Bruce, let me know when you are going to do this, I will do what ever to help. Even if it means driving 4hrs across state to help, this shit is hitting to close to home

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Old June 18th, 2006, 06:29 PM   #8
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If we need a mirror to host the video, I have one, it's kinda slow, but it works... Let me know, it sounds like a great idea that could help save lives.
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I'll shoot AND host it. Let me know when Bruce.
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Old June 18th, 2006, 06:47 PM   #10
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Tell me, why dont they just make a 3" x 60' strap? or 4" x 80'? there must be some safty issue with it. So would the same reason they dont make one that long still apply if we tie 2 30 footers together? Honest question I have tied them together but dont feel safe doing it.
I think that the reason they don't make them that long is simply that usually you don't need one that long. They would also be difficult to handle and store.
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If you need 60-80ft of strap it's time you buy a winch.
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Old June 18th, 2006, 07:02 PM   #12
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How about this idea...use snatch type recoveries only as a last resort. Too many people use them as a first resort. And the galleries watching snatch recoveries with straps always scare me.

They do make very long 3" straps but they end up costing over $100...and I agree that if you need a strap that long you may as well buy a winch.

Why are people so afraid of chains? If they have an adequate rating and are used properly they don't stretch nor break. Slow pulls with them work well. And if they do fail they are instantly dead...relatively no springback. Downside is carrying 50 lbs of chain around all the time.

And an even more novel idea...bring the proper recovery gear with you or at least plenty of cash to pay for a very expensive tow truck.
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Old June 18th, 2006, 07:10 PM   #13
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Why are people so afraid of chains? If they have an adequate rating and are used properly they don't stretch nor break. Slow pulls with them work well. And if they do fail they are instantly dead...relatively no springback. Downside is carrying 50 lbs of chain around all the time.
Because 90% of people dont know HOW to use one properly. Its safer to just not carry one and risk it.


bruce if you need help I would be willing to help on this one too if there is a way to get together.
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im willing to help out with anything to help this situation. let me know a time and day planed to make this video.
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winches and chains have thier own hazards. All have thier place in vehicle recovery, and all can be safe if used preperly.

The snatch type of recovery is often the first choise because it is quick and easy and often all thats needed. The problems if that all to often people have the "if it doesn't work just pull harder" mentality. If something isn't working usually doing it harder is not the answer.

I agree that attaching 2 straps together should be pretty much a last resort but people will keep doing it so i want to show them how to do it safely.

I'd like to do it in a real recovery situation so that people will see that it really works.
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Old June 18th, 2006, 08:51 PM   #16
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I'll shoot AND host it. Let me know when Bruce.
x2. I have gobbs of web space and unlimited bandwidth through the school plus it would be regularly backed up and would be on multiple redundent servers.

So, there should be no problem with any part of it except getting the people together to get it shot.
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Old June 18th, 2006, 09:24 PM   #17
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I went to a Jeep Jamboree in KY last year where they had a winching / strapping demonstration. It was very good.

They showed how to use a relatively small, green stick to connect two straps, how to winch safely (using a snatch block whenever possible

Then they had a session on reseating a tire bead (using that same green stick) - without starting fluid.

Simple demonstrations of the safest way to do things - especially things that are often and easily done wrong, with potentially bad results.

Good idea Bruce - I hope it comes together.
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Bruce,

If you need help help, video'ing this, or editing it I'll be more than happy to help.
Would be nice to have an easy editing project for a change.

And as far as hosting, I'll give CC $10, and have Cube give him a hand job to host it here.
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This might be a stupid question, but wouldnt the wood be just as deadly an object?

I am unfamilar with the method you are talking about. I am not trying to stir the pot just wondering. I thought you could just loop 2 straps together with the eyelets and hook them back to the clevis on each 4x4 and go.
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bitch to undue w/out the stick
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