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Old July 3rd, 2009, 04:27 PM   #1
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Just found this site. The act is meant to make information and tools more available to consumers and private shops.
http://www.righttorepair.org/
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Old July 3rd, 2009, 04:38 PM   #2
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people already have the choice to take their cars anywhere they want for service.
if their talking about warranty work they can pay to have the work done anywhere or free at the dealer. small shops just dont spend the money on tools that are that vehicle specific. its not worth their time. but they could.

this bill or act or whatever is stupid and they really must have their head stuck far up their ass.
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Old July 3rd, 2009, 04:40 PM   #3
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Authorizes the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) to promulgate regulations to protect consumers and to promote competition in auto maintenance and repair.
more big brother stepping in on everything we do.

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Lacking the ability to "talk" to the cars' computers, owners or their auto technicians cannot accurately diagnose mechanical problems or install safe and reliable replacement parts that are compatible with the vehicles' computers.
tell them to update their software
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What about those of use that prefer to do our own work?

I would like to repair my own cars, but figuring out what the problem is, is sometimes impossible without having a computer to figure out the codes.

Yes, there are software and hardware packages out there for me to buy, but why should I put out that money on top of the cost of the car??

Not that i am an expert on this bill, but this is not just about the small shops. It is also about the shade tree mechanic.
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Old July 3rd, 2009, 09:05 PM   #5
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What about those of use that prefer to do our own work?

I would like to repair my own cars, but figuring out what the problem is, is sometimes impossible without having a computer to figure out the codes.

Buy a scanner and you can read the codes too.

Yes, there are software and hardware packages out there for me to buy, but why should I put out that money on top of the cost of the car??

If you don't want to buy a scanner pay someone who has one to read the codes or buy an older non-computer controlled car. Why should some else buy a scanner and let you use it for free. Mechanics spend money on tools like scanners to make money not do free labor.

Not that i am an expert on this bill, but this is not just about the small shops. It is also about the shade tree mechanic.
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more big brother stepping in on everything we do.



tell them to update their software
Last I knew was every two years you could up date scanners so unless you drive ungodly mileage a year your car should be under warranty for that time period.
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Last I knew was every two years you could up date scanners so unless you drive ungodly mileage a year your car should be under warranty for that time period.
exactly. like i said they have their head up their ass.

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What about those of use that prefer to do our own work?

I would like to repair my own cars, but figuring out what the problem is, is sometimes impossible without having a computer to figure out the codes.

Yes, there are software and hardware packages out there for me to buy, but why should I put out that money on top of the cost of the car??

Not that i am an expert on this bill, but this is not just about the small shops. It is also about the shade tree mechanic.
sounds good. while the auto makers are handing out free scanners to everyone why don't you ask them to send you to school and buy you tools and a garage to do all the work to your car.

scanners and everything else needed to work on any car are tools, tools need to be purchased.

if your not willing to spend the coin on the proper equipment to work on the things you own take it to someone who is willing.

and on a serious note.
you dont need to have your car fixed when you bring it in.
if you have the abilty to do the repair but dont spend the money for diag tools, take the car in, pay an hours labor find out what the problem is and do the repair yourself. its as easy as that.

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Not too long ago, you could use a sequence of key turns and read a series of codes directly from your dashboard. Then you would look up the codes in the Service Manual (Yes, I would buy one of them) and you would know what the problem is.

This ability has been taken away from the car owner and this is what I would like to see brought back.

There will still be plenty of work for the certified mechanic and the shops (dealer or otherwise) because most car owners will not work on their own cars.

Also, buy a car that was made before the computer controls? Good idea, but bad suggestion. It won't take long until the only cars that fit that are over 20 years old. Then what? Even you classic car (15 years from now, that will be a 1999 model) will require a scanner to work on it. SO much for people working on their own older cars.

Funny, I see one of the complaints about the "Cash for Clunkers" program was the idea that motors would not be available to those people driving older used cars and on tight budgets. Well, won't be long till they won't be able to afford a car at all since even minor repairs will requires a scanner that costs several thousands of dollars.
Yes, several thousand. Those scanners you use at Murrays or Autozone simply suck. They really do not tell you much. Now go use a full blown scanner and see the difference. Problem is a really good one is a big investment, an investment most will not be able to make.
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I find it interesting that you say the murrays scanners suck but its the same info the the dash will provide by cycling the key, and you want that brought back.
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I remember a day, not that long ago, when the dash codes gave much more info than those scanners. If you had the proper list of codes that the FSM provided.
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Also, buy a car that was made before the computer controls? Good idea, but bad suggestion. It won't take long until the only cars that fit that are over 20 years old. Then what? Even you classic car (15 years from now, that will be a 1999 model) will require a scanner to work on it. SO much for people working on their own older cars.

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Funny I drive a '84 k20 everyday not looking for newer truck either keep fixing right not hacking shit it will last a long time. My jeep is a '97 I paid someone to scan it. As far as Murry and Autozone scanners go they point in in the direction you need to go but you still have to check out parts to see whats going on. Like checking ohms at a sensor and such. Even the best scanners just point you as were to look for your problem.
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haha, Chrysler "number codes" are almost useless to broad range, I can hook up my auto Xray to any OBD2 car and get a specific thing, "Miss fire on cylinder #" weather that number is right or not is the question, the problem is I cant find an adapter for my 95 Ram, the OBD1 and OBD2 dont fit so what does?
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haha, Chrysler "number codes" are almost useless to broad range, I can hook up my auto Xray to any OBD2 car and get a specific thing, "Miss fire on cylinder #" weather that number is right or not is the question, the problem is I cant find an adapter for my 95 Ram, the OBD1 and OBD2 dont fit so what does?
'95 should be OBDI and adapter is different from manufacture to manufacture. Was not made universal till OBD II most went to OBDII in '96 but some did earlier in '95
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I have the Chrysler OBD1 adapter for my scanner, wont fit my truck, 95, unfortunately, is the crossover, and an oddball on some cars. I remember my moms 95 Jimmy the plug was OBD2 and the scanner would would read it, but would poll very few sensors.
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Yea, I guess I don't know what I am talking about having used the FSM and a big screw driver to figure out where noises were coming from in the pre computer days, to the key turn trick with FSM codes handy, and then the OBDI and OBDII scanners pointing, hopefully, in the right direction, to the MATCO diacnostic tool I have used the past few years that go way beyond the auto store scanners. But what do I know, I am just a backyard mechanic trying to save a buck when something goes wrong with my car.

I say, just don't do or say anything and let the Auto companies do thier thing when it comes to allowing us to diagnose and repair our own property. We all know they have our best interets at heart. [/sarcasm]
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