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Old January 19th, 2015, 11:00 AM   #1
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Scherzer signs with the Nationals, not long after the tigers over pay the shit out of David Price.

World Series winners, or frustrating under achievers?
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Old January 19th, 2015, 11:14 AM   #2
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Scherzer signs with the Nationals, not long after the tigers over pay the shit out of David Price.

World Series winners, or frustrating under achievers?
You beat me to it . But no world series as much as i hate to admit it. I hope DD signs James Shields now , then a contract extension with David Price and i will be happy. For the cash i was never in on Max coming back. If they can solidify the rotation they may have a chance but the central may be the best in the American League now. Going to spring training this year should be fun.
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Scherzer signs with the Nationals, not long after the tigers over pay the shit out of David Price.

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Scherzer is not worth 200 million, so at least the Tigers were smart enough not to try to price match.

These salaries are way out of control.

With that said I think the Tigers will have to pull a rabbit out of a hat to stay in contention.
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Old January 19th, 2015, 11:27 AM   #4
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Reports saying Max got 7 years 210 million with half deferred so really its 14 years for 210 million crazy just crazy.
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Old January 19th, 2015, 12:10 PM   #5
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Aww fukc it begins

I hope the whole team disappears into the Bermuda triangle
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I expect the Tigers will make a mid season deal because of this for a good set up guy or closer... I think they realize that it was too much of a risk to pay scherzer big money after seeing verlander descend. Plus it's obvious that pitching didn't help last year, so why not try something different?? Although I wouldn't mind seeing them sign shields to say a 4-5 year deal somewhere in the 100 mil range, and maybe extend price.... I sure wish they would address catcher and a middle of the lineup bat, but we shall see!

Prediction? Tigers will not win another division title with how strong Chicago is now and how good kc and Cleveland have gotten. But here's to hoping!!! Go tigers!!
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I expect the Tigers will make a mid season deal because of this for a good set up guy or closer... I think they realize that it was too much of a risk to pay scherzer big money after seeing verlander descend. Plus it's obvious that pitching didn't help last year, so why not try something different?? Although I wouldn't mind seeing them sign shields to say a 4-5 year deal somewhere in the 100 mil range, and maybe extend price.... I sure wish they would address catcher and a middle of the lineup bat, but we shall see!

Prediction? Tigers will not win another division title with how strong Chicago is now and how good kc and Cleveland have gotten. But here's to hoping!!! Go tigers!!
What they should or shouldn't do...

I think most people would agree that they need to go out and get another starting pitcher. After that I would say bullpen, which plagued them for so much of last year. Lastly, a catcher how can hit above .250 would be an added bonus. I don't see them adding many other hitters to the line up, they have Kinsler, Cabrera, Martinez, Martinez, Cespedes and Iglesias. That right there should make it hard to pitch around people.

But we will have to get by without Don Kelly

And spend way to much to not make the playoffs...
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What they should or shouldn't do...

I think most people would agree that they need to go out and get another starting pitcher. After that I would say bullpen, which plagued them for so much of last year. Lastly, a catcher how can hit above .250 would be an added bonus. I don't see them adding many other hitters to the line up, they have Kinsler, Cabrera, Martinez, Martinez, Cespedes and Iglesias. That right there should make it hard to pitch around people.

But we will have to get by without Don Kelly

And spend way to much to not make the playoffs...
Don Kelly fucking sucked. Why are people sad he is gone? Dude had a WAR of like .1 - which means he is your average minor league player. I cannot fathom how people are upset that Don Kelly is gone but don't care about Max leaving.

This town sucks as a sports town.
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I see no reason for optimism this year.
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I'm bummed to see Scherzer go, but that ship sailed when he turned down the $140M last year. The 7 year contract seems like a long term noose for the Nationals. As good as he is today, I can't see him maintaining his work at $30M/year clip; even if part of that is put off to the future.

No love loss here for Don Kelly. He's just the modern day Johnny Wockenfuss. The occassional pinch big hit, and lots more not so great stuff.

I would like to see the bullpen shored up.

I like the concept of a better hitting catcher, but not sure there's one available.
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We were 2nd overall in runs last year. I'm ok with the bats we have and amount of runs we score. I'm more concerned with a better bullpen. We were ranked 24th in team ERA last year.

I know, I know, not the only important stats, but a good measure to at least show that pitching was a big weakness.
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We were 2nd overall in runs last year. I'm ok with the bats we have and amount of runs we score. I'm more concerned with a better bullpen. We were ranked 24th in team ERA last year.

I know, I know, not the only important stats, but a good measure to at least show that pitching was a big weakness.
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I'm not worried about the bats, but they need to strengthen the bullpen.

Playing Devil's advocate; How long can Victor Martinez keep his level of production?
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I'm not worried about the bats, but they need to strengthen the bullpen.

Playing Devil's advocate; How long can Victor Martinez keep his level of production?
He's 36, I think he can remain effective for 2 more seasons.
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Don Kelly fucking sucked. Why are people sad he is gone? Dude had a WAR of like .1 - which means he is your average minor league player. I cannot fathom how people are upset that Don Kelly is gone but don't care about Max leaving.

This town sucks as a sports town.
I liked Don Kelly and am sad to see him go. I think stats like WAR undervalue utility players like Kelly. You don't put someone like Kelly in because you think he's going to win you the game, you put him in to give the other guy a rest or because he's injured. I think it's important to have a guy like that who can step in and play OK at any position, but that ability is not reflected in any WAR calculation.
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I liked Don Kelly and am sad to see him go. I think stats like WAR undervalue utility players like Kelly. You don't put someone like Kelly in because you think he's going to win you the game, you put him in to give the other guy a rest or because he's injured. I think it's important to have a guy like that who can step in and play OK at any position, but that ability is not reflected in any WAR calculation.
The point of WAR is, you can call up any player you need from the minors (AAA) and get the same results as DK.

If you don't put him in to win, then why put him in?
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We were 2nd overall in runs last year. I'm ok with the bats we have and amount of runs we score. I'm more concerned with a better bullpen. We were ranked 24th in team ERA last year.

I know, I know, not the only important stats, but a good measure to at least show that pitching was a big weakness.
Kansas City really showed a solid model. Decent starting pitching and lights out bull pen. With our model, when any of the starters struggle.....we fucked.
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Kansas City really showed a solid model. Decent starting pitching and lights out bull pen. With our model, when any of the starters struggle.....we fucked.
I would agree.

With our line up, we "should" be able to score 4 runs on almost any night. If your starting pitching could get you through 6 innings (hell, even 5 innings) and you have a lights out bull pen.....win.
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The point of WAR is, you can call up any player you need from the minors (AAA) and get the same results as DK.

If you don't put him in to win, then why put him in?
The point of a utility player is he's ready to play any position at any time when you don't have time to call up someone.

You play him because he's the best option available at the time. You can't have a star backup for every star player at every position. Sometimes you have to settle for just OK.
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Kansas City really showed a solid model. Decent starting pitching and lights out bull pen. With our model, when any of the starters struggle.....we fucked.
I agree with that. Without an effective bullpen all they have to do is push the starter past about 120 pitches and then feast on the relievers.
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The point of a utility player is he's ready to play any position at any time when you don't have time to call up someone.

You play him because he's the best option available at the time. You can't have a star backup for every star player at every position. Sometimes you have to settle for just OK.
Correct.
But his numbers showed him at a minor league level at all positions.
Bring in someone that can contribute someplace effectively, versus someone that is minor league average at all.
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