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Old June 21st, 2009, 05:41 PM   #41
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My biggest fear the last 10 years or so has been that if the US is ever faced with another situation like WWII, most of the people in this country would either welcome the oppressors with open arms, or not have the guts or the ambition to stand up and fight for what we have in this country, and would just accept the slaughter.

Regardless of who is in power (for the past 10 years it has mostly been the far right, just saying) the American spirit will rise up against foreign attacks on American shores. This I strongly believe. Regardless of which way you lean politically, the love for this country remains.
The political parties simply have different views of how we should reach our common goals.
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Because this country, not having a single official religion, has an obligation to respect all religions. Including those without religion. If that respect requires the absence of religion at certain times and in certain places, that is just.

Making Intelligent Design part of a required curriculum forces the individual to study dogma that may be against his beliefs.

Evolution is still the accepted basis for life as we know it. There is physical evidence to back up theories, theories that are in constant flux as new evidence arises. Where as Intelligent Design requires acceptance of that which can not be proven without faith.

There are religious institutions all over this country that teach Intelligent Design and religious Dogma. That is what they do. Let those who wish to learn about it go there to seek their answers.



p.s. Just because many of the founders of this country were religious men and had certain religious beliefs does not mean they intended this to be a religious nation. Again, that is why there is no official religion here.

p.s.s. If you look around the world, those countries with official religions seem to be in constant chaos. If we become a nation with an official religion, it won't take long for the U.S. to be as intolerant as Iran.

p.s.s.s. Maybe the reason I seem so well informed is because I do not allow one source, or one political/religious leaning to control my thoughts.

Well at the founding of this country it was based on Christianity with the acceptance of others allowed to practice thier own belief, but Christianity was the basis of what this country was established on, the freedom to... If this is not to the individuals belief then he or she could be excused. The part of being tolerant and allowing the freedom to choose comes into play here

Intelligent design was taught in our schools in the form of the bible puchased by our own government to be the basis of education for all students through to university.
It was not until Darwin's theory that was taken God out of the picture and that He was not the Creator and everything came from nothing. I have never seen something come from nothing, have you? In lab studies they cannot do what would make you think that it could happen over time.
As evolution being taught as the only basis for life as we know it because intelligent design is not taught. It is like going into a court room and only listening to the prosecutor and making a decision without listening to the defence, both side should be heard.
The scientists that believe in intelligent design are looked at less of or not credibly because of what they believe, but they hold the same doctorets, phd's as thier peers. I see a something wrong with this picture. There are scientists that were accepted for thier evolutionary beliefs until they saw other evidence to show them that intellegent design was logical and held more wieght than that of darwin and his flawed theory.

Ps. you can be well informed if not brilliant and still hold onto a religious belief or political agenda. I believe that you can be very well rounded and have an open mind to accept and have an understanding of evolution, creationism, democrat or republician.
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Regardless of who is in power (for the past 10 years it has mostly been the far right, just saying) the American spirit will rise up against foreign attacks on American shores. This I strongly believe. Regardless of which way you lean politically, the love for this country remains.
The political parties simply have different views of how we should reach our common goals.
So the republicians are far right? No right down the middle maybe. I believe that it will be the far right (as you put)that will rise up to defend this country unless the far left see that thier hand outs will cease.
Or maybe then we will all unite and come together as one nation Under God We Trust. Hey is that not on our currency? maybe God has something to do with the prosparity that our nation has seen in such a short time that the USA has been. As the most powerful and richest nation on the planet.
United we stand divided we fall. Have I never seen us as a country more divided since... prayer was removed from our schools and darwin had a theory about how he saw things MAY have occured. It was a theory, thats it a flawed one at that.
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So lets get this straight, right means right, correct? then left means wrong? So if I see this as right and wrong then the Republicians are right and the Democrats are wrong, right?
Correct. Don't mind Pete C. I think he has been drinking.
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p.s.s. If you look around the world, those countries with official religions seem to be in constant chaos. If we become a nation with an official religion, it won't take long for the U.S. to be as intolerant as Iran.
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I have to agree with you on this one. Both sides have there ups and downs, both sides lie thru there teeth. When it comes down to it, both sides will just laugh it up over dinner and care less what happens, because until it is reelection time they could care less what there people think
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So the republicians are far right? No right down the middle maybe. I believe that it will be the far right (as you put)that will rise up to defend this country unless the far left see that thier hand outs will cease.
Or maybe then we will all unite and come together as one nation Under God We Trust. Hey is that not on our currency? maybe God has something to do with the prosparity that our nation has seen in such a short time that the USA has been. As the most powerful and richest nation on the planet.
United we stand divided we fall. Have I never seen us as a country more divided since... prayer was removed from our schools and darwin had a theory about how he saw things MAY have occured. It was a theory, thats it a flawed one at that.

No, I said those in power over the past 10 or so years, they are the far right ones. I never said the Republicans. There are many Republicans who have left the fold because of this. Heck, the last President said God has spoken to him. And the Republicans that have been in power have in no way been middle of the road when it comes to their beliefs.

As far as what happened before and after Darwin. the world finally came out of the dark ages of religious mysticism and started accepted a different view of the history. Don't forget, many were called heretics only a few hundred years ago because they said the world was round.

You have proved again what I have been saying. You refuse to listen to anything other than what you believe. Darwin, school prayer, . Your story follows a single line.
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Regardless of who is in power (for the past 10 years it has mostly been the far right, just saying) the American spirit will rise up against foreign attacks on American shores. This I strongly believe. Regardless of which way you lean politically, the love for this country remains.
The political parties simply have different views of how we should reach our common goals.
That I disagree with.


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No, I said those in power over the past 10 or so years, they are the far right ones. I never said the Republicans. There are many Republicans who have left the fold because of this. Heck, the last President said God has spoken to him. And the Republicans that have been in power have in no way been middle of the road when it comes to their beliefs.

As far as what happened before and after Darwin. the world finally came out of the dark ages of religious mysticism and started accepted a different view of the history. Don't forget, many were called heretics only a few hundred years ago because they said the world was round.

You have proved again what I have been saying. You refuse to listen to anything other than what you believe. Darwin, school prayer, . Your story follows a single line.
The republicians were in power for the last 8 years and the ones that left are the ones that are trying to get votes from , so the republicians are trying to be , or at least act like em, but a republician can not out spend a democrat.
So the beliefs of a republicain... maybe you can tell me from your point of view, what makes em so hard right wing to begin with?

Could it be that republicians believe that it is murder for a woman to have an abortion?
Could it be that republicians believe that embryonic stem cell research is wrong?
Could it be that republicians believe that you can feed the poor and do not need the help or hand out from the government?
Could it be that a majority of rebublicains are Christians and believe that God created us in His image and not that of a monkey?
We may resemble monkeys, fingers and toes but that is it.
And yes I have been listening to you and others with your new age belief but I find more evidence to back up my way of thinking, logically mine makes more sense to me, and as educated as you seem you are completely blind.
You mentioned in one post awhile ago about knowing about God? Did you turn your back on Him because you could not understand His ways? It is not for us to question Him, but to accept Him for who He said He is. And by doing that then and only then will you begin to understand.
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I am now officially pissed.



I just found out the world is round.
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the don't have to or need to completely change the country. only get 51% of the population to become dependent on the government.
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the don't have to or need to completely change the country. only get 51% of the population to become dependent on the government.
And i think by wiping out the middle class they just may complete their task.
Can you imagine the entire country looking like the inner cities, totally dependent on hand outs, food stamps, poverty and crime to the point that you cannot or would not want to leave you getto house for the fear of being robbed or killed.
Obama supporters wanted change and believed the media for everything that they said was wrong with Bush and his admin. that they went with whatever was told to them. The Obama supporters believed the lies and now.... whats next?
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No, I said those in power over the past 10 or so years, they are the far right ones. I never said the Republicans. There are many Republicans who have left the fold because of this. Heck, the last President said God has spoken to him. And the Republicans that have been in power have in no way been middle of the road when it comes to their beliefs.
Pete, how do you define far right? It seems to me you are confusing religious fanatic and being right wing politically. I understand the confusion, as this misconception is promoted in all the main stream media, but the media is wrong.

Historically the scale goes from no government control (total liberty) on the right end to total government control (no liberty) on the left end. That is the ONLY scale to judge right and left.

Using this definition you can see that there is no right. Both major parties are pushing the country to the left, it's only the speed at which we are moving left that is different. Democrats are a bit more to the left than the Republicians and are pushing us there a bit faster but both have grown the size and scope of the federal government over the last 100 years. Both are far to left end of the political scale. Both are more interested in election results and greater power in the hands of the government and less interested in what is best for America.

We need to return to having just enough government control to guarantee Americans their rights as defined by the constitution and nothing more. Until the majority of Americans understand this and demand the return of their liberty, we will continue to decline as a country.
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And i think by wiping out the middle class they just may complete their task.
Can you imagine the entire country looking like the inner cities, totally dependent on hand outs, food stamps, poverty and crime to the point that you cannot or would not want to leave you getto house for the fear of being robbed or killed.
Obama supporters wanted change and believed the media for everything that they said was wrong with Bush and his admin. that they went with whatever was told to them. The Obama supporters believed the lies and now.... whats next?
coming from a poor family and been working since I was 10 I could care less about some blacks excuse of being underprivileged and thus deserving of free government handouts.

eventually the hard working will have to take up the guns, fight and die to un-dig the big government grave the freebee wanting retards put in place
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Pete, how do you define far right? It seems to me you are confusing religious fanatic and being right wing politically. I understand the confusion, as this misconception is promoted in all the main stream media, but the media is wrong.

Historically the scale goes from no government control (total liberty) on the right end to total government control (no liberty) on the left end. That is the ONLY scale to judge right and left.

Using this definition you can see that there is no right. Both major parties are pushing the country to the left, it's only the speed at which we are moving left that is different. Democrats are a bit more to the left than the Republicians and are pushing us there a bit faster but both have grown the size and scope of the federal government over the last 100 years. Both are far to left end of the political scale. Both are more interested in election results and greater power in the hands of the government and less interested in what is best for America.

We need to return to having just enough government control to guarantee Americans their rights as defined by the constitution and nothing more. Until the majority of Americans understand this and demand the return of their liberty, we will continue to decline as a country.

Very well said. Can not argue a single point.

I guess then, that my idea of right and left is on a sliding scale. As the political landscape moves one way or another, the definition of left and right moves along with it.

For my own interpretation, those I consider far right are those that would use religious dogma to define human law.
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The republicians were in power for the last 8 years and the ones that left are the ones that are trying to get votes from , so the republicians are trying to be , or at least act like em, but a republician can not out spend a democrat.
So the beliefs of a republicain... maybe you can tell me from your point of view, what makes em so hard right wing to begin with?

Could it be that republicians believe that it is murder for a woman to have an abortion?
Could it be that republicians believe that embryonic stem cell research is wrong?
Could it be that republicians believe that you can feed the poor and do not need the help or hand out from the government?
Could it be that a majority of rebublicains are Christians and believe that God created us in His image and not that of a monkey?
We may resemble monkeys, fingers and toes but that is it.
And yes I have been listening to you and others with your new age belief but I find more evidence to back up my way of thinking, logically mine makes more sense to me, and as educated as you seem you are completely blind.
You mentioned in one post awhile ago about knowing about God? Did you turn your back on Him because you could not understand His ways? It is not for us to question Him, but to accept Him for who He said He is. And by doing that then and only then will you begin to understand.


And I am the one who is blind?

See my post above on my definition of the far right.

You call my beliefs "new age". I call it coming out the dark ages and seeing the light.
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And I am the one who is blind?

See my post above on my definition of the far right.

You call my beliefs "new age". I call it coming out the dark ages and seeing the light.
I tell you this. When You see the light, you will know it without a doubt in your mind.
I'm afraid that when you do see the light it will be to late.
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And I am the one who is blind?

See my post above on my definition of the far right.

You call my beliefs "new age". I call it coming out the dark ages and seeing the light.
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See my post above on my definition of the far right.

You call my beliefs "new age". I call it coming out the dark ages and seeing the light.
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