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Old June 16th, 2009, 12:05 AM   #1
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Went to the range today with a couple of buddies to get a feel for a few, and see if there was anything that might be a good fit.
I fired a Springfield XD
A Glock (can't remeber, but think it was a 17 or 19
A Kahr P9
And a S&W MMP

All of course were 9mm.
I am looking for a sub compact 9mm, although not all of these were subs, it was good to get an idea.
Keeping in mind I am a novice here, this is what I thought.
I went in wanting to try the XD first, I have read some great reviews, and had to try it. It was a nice gun, but not my favorite after trying the others.
These were all house guns of course.
The glock had a loose magazine that literally wobbled front to back in the gun. The glock did shoot well, and very consistant.
Smith and Wesson was probably the one I shot the least, nothing wrong with it, just didn't fit perfect, didn't wow me. Nothing wrong with it, just no wow.
My favorite by far was the Kahr. It was much skinnier than the other guns, and just felt comfortable, groups were extremely tight, and after each gun my response was; it was ok, but I think I'd like to shoot the car again.
i also shot my friends 38 and the Kahr didn't feel like it was much more than his little 38.

Does anyone have any experience with these guns?

Anything else I should try, i would like to try a few more, before making a decision.

I am looking for a sub compact 9mm, as this gun will be my gun for a while. I want something that can be carried and concealed.
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Old June 16th, 2009, 12:08 PM   #2
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I've got the Kahr cw9, it's a little smaller than the p9.

Shoots great, no ftf in over 1000rnds.

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I also have a Kahr CW9 shoots very nice. No issues so far except have not found a 2nd mag for it yet. I have not tried too hard though.
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What is the big difference between a CW9 and a PM9
The way I see it, 1 less mag, slightly heavier, slightly longer, is that all?
Do you guys know of anywhere that has a CW and Pm in stock, I'd like to compare them side by side.
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What is the big difference between a CW9 and a PM9
The way I see it, 1 less mag, slightly heavier, slightly longer, is that all?
Do you guys know of anywhere that has a CW and Pm in stock, I'd like to compare them side by side.
better sights and barrel on the pm

and I've got extra pm mags, they fit the cw, just hang down a little.
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I have a Kahr MK9, great little gun, slip it in your pocket and go.
All the glocks I have the mags fit snug, could be a ware issue if it was used? Also great guns, never had one jam until I tried a replacement recoil spring...
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I've had a Glock 19 for over fifteen years. Great gun. Probably 5k rounds without a jam or malfunction. A little thick for CCW, I like my 3" 1911.

"A 9mm may fail to expand, but a .45 isn't gonna get any smaller."

I'm putting a couple 1911's up for sale to finance toys including an XD45 with the external safety.
I've never heard a bad comment about the XD and the only one I shot bore this out.
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I just directly compared the XD to the M&P a week or two ago. My personal fav was the M&P. The trigger on it was short and crisp, without too much weight, and the grip fit my hand perfectly.

The only real reason why I didnt like the XD as much, was because I felt the grip was a bit too narrow and long IMO. It felt like I was shooting a broom handle. I liked everything else about it though, and probably will end up buying one in the future.


But side by side, Id go with the M&P.
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Subject: Fwd: Fw: PLEASE BRIEF YOUR PERSONNEL - Officer Safety - M&P pistols no longer authorized

Importance: High

Quality of Smith & Wesson 9mm M&P pistols has become a concern because of a recent barrel failure on an in-service deputy's pistol, coupled with additional extraction jams on deputy recruit pistols (46% of recruit class experiencing some degree of malfunctions - mostly phase-2 jam failures to extract spent casings).

A JDIC announcment canceling the authorization of Smith & Wesson 9mm M&P semi-automatic pistol models follows.

Please brief your personnel.

NOTE: Sworn personnel carrying a replacement pistol (instead of a S&W M&P) must shoot pistol qualification ASAP with that replacement
on-duty and/or off-duty pistol.

Personnel who were trained to use the M&P pistol during January - April 2009 can contact BC Range for additional information.

SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT BROADCAST ANNOUNCEMENT

TRAINING BUREAU WEAPONS TRAINING

TO: ALL SWORN PERSONNEL

SUBJECT: OFFICER SAFETY ALERT - SMITH & WESSON M&P PISTOLS

RECENT DEVELOPMENTS HAVE FORCED A DEPARTMENTAL RE-EVALUATION OF THE SMITH & WESSON 9MM M&P SEMI-AUTOMATIC PISTOL AS AN AUTHORIZED OPTIONAL HANDGUN FOR SWORN PERSONNEL.

EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, THE SMITH & WESSON 9MM M&P FULL SIZE PISTOL IS NO LONGER AN AUTHORIZED OPTIONAL ON-DUTY PISTOL.

EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, THE SMITH & WESSON 9MM M&P COMPACT PISTOL IS NO LONGER AN AUTHORIZED OPTIONAL OFF-DUTY PISTOL.

SINCE FIRST APPROVAL AS AN OPTIONAL PISTOL ON DECEMBER 10, 2008, THE FULL-SIZED AND/OR COMPACT VERSIONS OF THE 9MM SMITH & WESSON M&P PISTOL HAVE BEEN DEPLOYED BY 49 SWORN PERSONNEL ON AND OFF DUTY. ONE OF THESE PISTOLS WAS DELIVERED NEW WITH AN IMPROPERLY MACHINED BARREL THAT WOULD NOT EJECT SPENT CARTRIDGE CASINGS. ANOTHER OF THESE PISTOLS EXPERIENCED A BARREL FAILURE IN MID-APRIL OF THIS YEAR. AFTER FIRING LESS THAN 10,000 ROUNDS OF TRAINING AMMUNITION. THIS PISTOL BARREL BROKE INTO TWO PIECES JUST AHEAD OF THE FIRING CHAMBER.

ADDITIONALLY, A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF DEPUTY ACADEMY CLASS #377
RECRUITS WITH ISSUED NEW SMITH & WESSON 9MM M&P FULL-SIZE PISTOLS HAVE EXPERIENCED PHASE-2 PISTOL MALFUNCTIONS, CAUSED BY SPENT CASINGS FAILING TO EXTRACT FROM BARREL CHAMBERS, DURING THE PAST TWO WEEKS OF TRAINING. CLASS #377 RECRUITS WILL BE ISSUED BERETTA 92FS PISTOLS ON WEDNESDAY APRIL 29, 2009, AND THEIR M&P PISTOLS REMOVED FROM SERVICE.

PERSONNEL SAFETY AND RELIABLE EQUIPMENT REMAIN OUR PRIMARY CONCERNS.

DIRECT ANY QUESTIONS TO LIEUTENANT MICHAEL C. REYNOLDS
MCREYNOL@LASD.ORG OR SERGEANT DAVID NELL DANELL@LASD.ORG AT THE B.C. RANGE.


LEROY D. BACA, SHERIFF KBL/SNDG
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I am going back tomorrow with the hubby We are gonna try something different. I cant remember what he called them..
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http://forums.officer.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=120650

Subject: Fwd: Fw: PLEASE BRIEF YOUR PERSONNEL - Officer Safety - M&P pistols no longer authorized

Importance: High

Quality of Smith & Wesson 9mm M&P pistols has become a concern because of a recent barrel failure on an in-service deputy's pistol, coupled with additional extraction jams on deputy recruit pistols (46% of recruit class experiencing some degree of malfunctions - mostly phase-2 jam failures to extract spent casings).

A JDIC announcment canceling the authorization of Smith & Wesson 9mm M&P semi-automatic pistol models follows.

Please brief your personnel.

NOTE: Sworn personnel carrying a replacement pistol (instead of a S&W M&P) must shoot pistol qualification ASAP with that replacement
on-duty and/or off-duty pistol.

Personnel who were trained to use the M&P pistol during January - April 2009 can contact BC Range for additional information.

SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT BROADCAST ANNOUNCEMENT

TRAINING BUREAU WEAPONS TRAINING

TO: ALL SWORN PERSONNEL

SUBJECT: OFFICER SAFETY ALERT - SMITH & WESSON M&P PISTOLS

RECENT DEVELOPMENTS HAVE FORCED A DEPARTMENTAL RE-EVALUATION OF THE SMITH & WESSON 9MM M&P SEMI-AUTOMATIC PISTOL AS AN AUTHORIZED OPTIONAL HANDGUN FOR SWORN PERSONNEL.

EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, THE SMITH & WESSON 9MM M&P FULL SIZE PISTOL IS NO LONGER AN AUTHORIZED OPTIONAL ON-DUTY PISTOL.

EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, THE SMITH & WESSON 9MM M&P COMPACT PISTOL IS NO LONGER AN AUTHORIZED OPTIONAL OFF-DUTY PISTOL.

SINCE FIRST APPROVAL AS AN OPTIONAL PISTOL ON DECEMBER 10, 2008, THE FULL-SIZED AND/OR COMPACT VERSIONS OF THE 9MM SMITH & WESSON M&P PISTOL HAVE BEEN DEPLOYED BY 49 SWORN PERSONNEL ON AND OFF DUTY. ONE OF THESE PISTOLS WAS DELIVERED NEW WITH AN IMPROPERLY MACHINED BARREL THAT WOULD NOT EJECT SPENT CARTRIDGE CASINGS. ANOTHER OF THESE PISTOLS EXPERIENCED A BARREL FAILURE IN MID-APRIL OF THIS YEAR. AFTER FIRING LESS THAN 10,000 ROUNDS OF TRAINING AMMUNITION. THIS PISTOL BARREL BROKE INTO TWO PIECES JUST AHEAD OF THE FIRING CHAMBER.

ADDITIONALLY, A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF DEPUTY ACADEMY CLASS #377
RECRUITS WITH ISSUED NEW SMITH & WESSON 9MM M&P FULL-SIZE PISTOLS HAVE EXPERIENCED PHASE-2 PISTOL MALFUNCTIONS, CAUSED BY SPENT CASINGS FAILING TO EXTRACT FROM BARREL CHAMBERS, DURING THE PAST TWO WEEKS OF TRAINING. CLASS #377 RECRUITS WILL BE ISSUED BERETTA 92FS PISTOLS ON WEDNESDAY APRIL 29, 2009, AND THEIR M&P PISTOLS REMOVED FROM SERVICE.

PERSONNEL SAFETY AND RELIABLE EQUIPMENT REMAIN OUR PRIMARY CONCERNS.

DIRECT ANY QUESTIONS TO LIEUTENANT MICHAEL C. REYNOLDS
MCREYNOL@LASD.ORG OR SERGEANT DAVID NELL DANELL@LASD.ORG AT THE B.C. RANGE.


LEROY D. BACA, SHERIFF KBL/SNDG

Huh.....that sucks. My friend (a seabee) just bought one to use as his service pistol while he's in Iraq. I hope he didnt get the 9mm.


In any event, I doubt I will ever buy another 9mm unless its an M9 (just for the sake of having one in the original caliber). Im thinking, for my collection, S&W in .357 (primary carry), and XD in .45 (home defense/ camping).
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