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Old May 28th, 2009, 10:11 AM   #1
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Default Trooper tires to arrest paramedic while enroute to the hospital with a patient

Wow, I thought we had problems here...

Of course, I'm sure theres more to the video

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PADEN, Oklahoma -- An Oklahoma Highway Patrol trooper and a paramedic were caught on tape scuffling Sunday while a patient was being taken to the hospital.

The fight happened on Highway 62, near Paden, after a OHP and first responders argued over a close call on the road.

OHP alleges that one of the paramedics on the video assaulted the trooper, but the assault was not caught on tape.

"We're like trying to tell the guy, 'Dude, my mom is in the back,' and my stepdad was like, 'My wife is in the back. Can we do this at the hospital?'" said Kenyada Davis.

Kenyada Davis' mother was the woman in the back of the ambulance being treated for heat exhaustion.

He was able to shoot the altercation with his cell phone's camera.

Davis said it all started because the ambulance failed to yield to OHP troopers, who were en route to a call along highway 62 in Paden.

Davis said the driver of the ambulance was trying to avoid hitting a car that slowed down and wasn't aware of troopers nearby until it was too late.

"He slowed down, and as the car was getting over, that's when he passed us," Davis said. "I didn't hear him."

But after OHP troopers finished their official business, they pulled the Creek Nation ambulance over. One of the troopers chided Paul for failing to yield.

Once the ambulance was pulled over, Davis pulled out his phone and shot video of the scene.

Watch the full video of the altercation between the trooper and first responders.

According to the OHP, the paramedics assaulted the trooper just before the fight broke out.

"It didn't look like it was being handled very well, at least form the tape I saw from the troopers' standpoint," said NEWS 9 Legal Analyst Irven Box.

The entire scene, including the alleged assault was captured on dash cam video and has not been released.

The Okfuskee County District Attorney's office is reviewing all of the footage and could file criminal charges against the paramedic by the end of the week.

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Old May 28th, 2009, 10:17 AM   #2
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What a bunch of Jackasses. I know its not all cops but almost every trooper I have met (most of the time not getting in trouble) are jackasses
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Old May 28th, 2009, 10:18 AM   #3
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PROTIP: When a cop is going to put you in handcuffs, don't push him, you will probably get your ass beat.
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Old May 28th, 2009, 11:01 AM   #4
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IMO, the police should have to yield to ambulances, when they are rushing to the hospital.


This altercation was just retarded on so many levels.. "OMFG That asshole in an ambulance didnt yield to us when he's rushing a dying person to the hospital, while we're over here trying to get to a very non-important call apparently since we had the time to chase him down again and pull him over!"
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Old May 28th, 2009, 11:03 AM   #5
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wonder how long it'll take emergency services to respond to an OHP Trooper down request...
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wonder how long it'll take emergency services to respond to an OHP Trooper down request...

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Old May 28th, 2009, 11:36 AM   #8
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PROTIP: When a cop is going to put you in handcuffs, don't push him, you will probably get your ass beat.

Ha Ha a ProTip, do you have experience with this?
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Old May 28th, 2009, 07:23 PM   #9
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IMO, the police should have to yield to ambulances, when they are rushing to the hospital.


This altercation was just retarded on so many levels.. "OMFG That asshole in an ambulance didnt yield to us when he's rushing a dying person to the hospital, while we're over here trying to get to a very non-important call apparently since we had the time to chase him down again and pull him over!"
You can't read, can you?
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Old May 28th, 2009, 07:38 PM   #10
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when you have emergency vehicles running each other over going to and from different calls its a good sign of a bad "hood"
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PROTIP: When a cop is going to put you in handcuffs, don't push him, you will probably get your ass beat.
The trooper grabbed the medic's arm and the medic brushed him off like a gnat..

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Was the road-raging OHP Trooper trying to impress his ride-along girlfriend?
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Old May 28th, 2009, 08:47 PM   #12
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You can't read, can you?
i read it then read it again to make sure..

it said they were n route to a call along hwy 60.. it couldnt have been that important if they stopped the ambliance and bitched with them for 5 min
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Davis said it all started because the ambulance failed to yield to OHP troopers, who were en route to a call along highway 62 in Paden.

But after OHP troopers finished their official business, they pulled the Creek Nation ambulance over. One of the troopers chided Paul for failing to yield.
I think what I said was pretty much what happened?

Ambulance failed to yield to a police officer when hauling an a person to the hospital. So police, instead of understanding their emergency as well as his own and getting over it, pulls the Ambulance over and waste's time being an asshole.

I understand that it was a "close call," but they are both hauling ass to get somewhere and both technically have right of way. If both has sirens blaring, he wouldnt hear or be looking for lights in his mirrors. They didnt mention the emergency of the police officers situation, but it seems to me that a person being hauled to a hospital is more of an emergency than what the officer was doing if he had the time to waste pulling over an ambulance.

I dont see where I got it wrong?
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My guess is the ambulance was not traveling with the lights and sirens on. My wife is a Paramedic and she tells me it is not uncommon to transport without lights and sirens when a patient's life is not threatened by their condition. I know when I broke my leg and had to be transported by ambulance, they did not "rush" to the hospital with sirens blaring.
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My guess is the ambulance was not traveling with the lights and sirens on. My wife is a Paramedic and she tells me it is not uncommon to transport without lights and sirens when a patient's life is not threatened by their condition. I know when I broke my leg and had to be transported by ambulance, they did not "rush" to the hospital with sirens blaring.
If thats the situation, I can understand it better. It was my assumption that it wasnt just a transport but bringing someone from their home to the hospital who was suffering heat exhaustion, which in some cases has been fatal.
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it sounds like you guys are trying to justify the troopers' actions. They were wrong. period, end of story. And let it be noted that i am NOT a cop hater. Simple, unadulterated common sense here folks: two emergency vehicles rushing to emergency calls . Ambulance trumps police car. All the stuff about the sirens may not have been on is mere supposition and we can just as easy assume they were...
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wonder how long it'll take emergency services to respond to an OHP Trooper down request...
this.

while I may not be aware of every jurisdiction's dispatch and communication capabilities it would seem logical that based on the federal requirements under e911 that there exists some way for the troopers to communicate with the ambulance staff even before they get out of their vehicles. in fact, if I remember reading one of the articles correctly, one of the troopers did in fact get the crashcart driver on the radio, and advised him to check his mirrors...

the 2nd trooper could have just as easily checked the status of the transport (ALS? Unresponsive, etc?) and/or advised them to pull over to discuss the altercation.

while the video is obviously not a complete documentary of what went down, and I hate pre-judging based on a video, it appears to me, that a very hot headed trooper was over-reacting to the EMT's finger pointing, and then used poor technique to try to subdue him.

the troppers, as well as EMTs are supposed to be professionals, neither side acted very professionally, but in my opinion the troopers bear the greater amount of indescretion - even if they were technically "in the right".

They treated that situation like an out of control traffic-stop-initiated arrest of someone who already had a warrant out.
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it sounds like you guys are trying to justify the troopers' actions. They were wrong. period, end of story. And let it be noted that i am NOT a cop hater. Simple, unadulterated common sense here folks: two emergency vehicles rushing to emergency calls . Ambulance trumps police car. All the stuff about the sirens may not have been on is mere supposition and we can just as easy assume they were...
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it sounds like you guys are trying to justify the troopers' actions. They were wrong. period, end of story. And let it be noted that i am NOT a cop hater. Simple, unadulterated common sense here folks: two emergency vehicles rushing to emergency calls . Ambulance trumps police car. All the stuff about the sirens may not have been on is mere supposition and we can just as easy assume they were...

I'll admit I'me very biased. I was raised in a cop family (Dad, Gramps, Uncle) and I would have become one myself if I didn't have psych issues.
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from what I casually remember of various statutes, it doesn't speak towards a hierarchy, only that traffic must yield to emergency vehicles.

it'd be an interesting clusterbleep to have a federal ATF, or Treasury Agent involved in some type of pursuit arriving at an intersection with a Trooper fighting for lanes with an ambulance...
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