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Old June 6th, 2009, 10:51 AM   #1
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With people on here building cages for people, how do you protect yourself from one coming back and suing you when they get into a roll over and the person gets hurt?

Everyone is sue happy these days and it would seem very easy to hold the cage builder liable.

This just recently crossed my mind and was just curious.
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Make a Waiver. I'll type a quick one up..

I ______ on ______ Built this roll cage for a YearMake Model. I only built it to the Standards of a Childrens Powerwheels and cannot insure or garuntee that it will protect even a Bullet proof vest in case of accident (I.E. Rollover, Side Collision, Bumped Heads getting in, Bumped Heads getting out, Bumped heads while doing any amount of spead on paved or unpaved roads, Stray Bullets, or Anything in this sort.) By reading this I do not need your signature and do not have to show this to you before I build, get payed, or install this. Just by reading this the contract in in effect and I will show this to court shall it come that far. Thank You have a great day.
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Old June 6th, 2009, 11:22 AM   #3
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Old June 6th, 2009, 12:08 PM   #4
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Build the cage well enough that a failure on it will not come back on you. Then if you dont know someone get some fancy paper work signed.

Whenever you offer to do something for someone else you have to ask yourself; can I do this well enough to where I would put my self in this persons shoes and then put myself in the worst possible situation for a failure on this part and not be concerned about the work you did.

Too many people dont take pride in their work and just get the job done.
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Old June 6th, 2009, 12:25 PM   #5
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A waiver doesnt release one from a gross negligence suit. A good lawyer would have to then prove gross negligebce on you. Insurance would help I suppose. Liability insurance for vehicle modifacation could easily reach thousands a month. Not really worth it for the $400 cage ($200 profit) you'll make for the cheap fucker that will still bitch that it costs too much.
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Old June 6th, 2009, 01:14 PM   #6
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hmmm............ any reason they call this a "sport" cage?

http://www.4wd.com/productdetails.aspx?partID=41693
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Old June 6th, 2009, 01:33 PM   #7
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hmmm............ any reason they call this a "sport" cage?

http://www.4wd.com/productdetails.aspx?partID=41693
So by advertising it as a SPORT CAGE its marketed for non off-road use? This way if something happens it cannot come back onto them?

A very good buddy of mine is in law school at MI state and I asked him this last week while at the bar. He was telling me that a waver simply does nothing. You can sign it and still sue if something happens. Most people do not know this though and if something does happen they think there is nothing they can do because they signed a waver.

I was just wondering how shops cover themselves.
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If you build a cage or do any service (mechanical, construction ect...) for some one for cash with no paper trail is there really any way for them to sue. Now if you do give a receipt/invoice and are not a legit company can you get in trouble for that.

If you are a legit company (large or small) I like the sport cage option. Can you use the sport title for all work (just asking fot the guys who install lifts and mods out of there garage)?
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I was just wondering how shops cover themselves.
i pay happily for my liability insurance. its the only "real" way to cover your ass period.

waivers dont mean crap in court. any half assed lawyer can beat a signed waiver in court.


yes insurance is pricey but its that or lose your home, pension, stock portfolio, and anything else that is worth a dollar.
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hmmm............ any reason they call this a "sport" cage?

http://www.4wd.com/productdetails.aspx?partID=41693
it dont matter what u call that because the owner of the kit has to assemble and install it. any failure would be on the vehicle owners lap.
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Old June 6th, 2009, 01:59 PM   #11
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That is a very interesting point about it being a cash transaction with no written work... I will have to ask my buddy on that.
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call it sport cage, sign a waiver and have insurance.
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Too many people dont take pride in their work and just get the job done.
Sounds like the automotive unions...
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Old June 6th, 2009, 03:35 PM   #15
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Sounds like the automotive unions...
reallY?? does the UAW design the vehicle? No. They just bolt and torque to exact specification that the non union engineers designed from all the schooin they recieved. And the welds are done by the robots those same engineers designed from all that schoolin.
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I don't think the cash deal would make much difference. If someone sues you and you are under oath, you have to lie to deny that you did the work. Seems to me Kwame went to jail for that.....
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reallY?? does the UAW design the vehicle? No. They just bolt and torque to exact specification that the non union engineers designed from all the schooin they recieved. And the welds are done by the robots those same engineers designed from all that schoolin.
I was reffering to the statement about "taking pride in their work as opposed to just getting the job done." (which is barely done) Not designing or engineering ... all of which is off topic. sry.
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back on topic. i heard kwame used to sell weed
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Incorporate to save your personal possessions.

Pay for liability insurance if your willing. It's INSANE if you tell them what you are actually building, and what it's purpose is. Mention roll cages and they flip.
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I have built tons of roll cages out of muffler pipe and never been sued. I wouldn't worry about it.
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