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Old June 2nd, 2009, 08:46 AM   #21
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As the cost of Fuel goes up and cars that are fuel efficient/electric/hydrogen/unicorn powered become more expensive people will move back into the cities. What will happen after 'merican's no longer have money because this country is turned into a giant service country like the UK, they'll have no choice but to move back to the cities.

plus i think there is a need to connect some bigger cities together by rail that doesn't suck.
You sound like an Obama press release....If all the liberal Obama supporters would get together and grab him up and go to Europe you could ride all the trains you wanted to and the U.S. could get back to being the U.S.
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Old June 2nd, 2009, 09:02 AM   #22
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You sound like an Obama press release....If all the liberal Obama supporters would get together and grab him up and go to Europe you could ride all the trains you wanted to and the U.S. could get back to being the U.S.
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Why the libs have such a desire for all things european.
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I stopped at the part where he said that GM REFUSED to make good cars and purposely made them fall apart after a couple of years. What a dick bag. I would like him to list sources as to where he got this crap.
I've been involved in vehicle design for nearly 20 years, much of it at GM and I have never seem any evidence that that is true. Not once has anyone asked me to design anything fail sooner.
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You sound like an Obama press release....If all the liberal Obama supporters would get together and grab him up and go to Europe you could ride all the trains you wanted to and the U.S. could get back to being the U.S.

Oh so Fuel prices aren't going to rise, and we aren't going to have expensive alternative powered cars? People will start to move slowly back to the cities, there are so many stupid young people out there that don't want to own cars, that they will move, reproduce and their kids will suck too. This is all long term 2-4 presidents away and not tomorrow according to Mikey Moore.

And I think Obama's administration thinks we can have a country based on service and not actual products.
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I've been involved in vehicle design for nearly 20 years, much of it at GM and I have never seem any evidence that that is true. Not once has anyone asked me to design anything fail sooner.
Thats because they have you think that, but in reality they have an antifriction lubricant and 100% rust free steel hiding in the back room, but they cost half as much as what we use today!!!!


Joking aside, i think thats just how shitty GM's cars were in the 70's/80's/90's, not because they planned them out that way.
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I love almost all of gm's products, but the fuel level sending units and intake gaskets on most of the V engines have been shit for a very long time. Not the biggest problems in the world, but I do believe they could have solved those two problems fairly simply, yet left them flawed for the service industrys sake.
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Kind of funny how Henry Ford wanted to keep making the Model T because the longer it was around, the better and more reliable it got.

But, people wanted newer models every year or so, and different options and what's what drove the auto industry up until now. Now it seems everyone just wants the old reliable "Model T" again.

If anything, planned obsolescence was probably just referring to styling and other updates made to vehicles, not the long term reliability of the vehicle itself.
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I've been involved in vehicle design for nearly 20 years, much of it at GM and I have never seem any evidence that that is true. Not once has anyone asked me to design anything fail sooner.
I agree. I think it's more based on cost of materials and manufacturing. You can't make a Cadillac and sell it at Chevette pricing. (for you young punks, a Chevette was an entry level Chevy back before you were born)
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so much fail. why couldn't michael moore been on that french plane.

I'm going to have to agree.
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of course, introduce a new tax, that's the answer. Then once all the people move away from gasoline and the government realizes they "lost" all those tax dollars, i'm sure they wouldn't find another way to tax you, would they?

So just set up the factories for train/wind/solar production. Who's buying? Who's training? Who's buying the machines to produce?

Maybe we should convert all factories to make unicorns, smiles, and rays of fucking sunshine.

That assfuck, i bet he really wishes they would convert the factories into a colossal dildo and anal lube factory so he can buy manufacturer direct.
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Old June 2nd, 2009, 10:46 AM   #31
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Joking aside, i think thats just how shitty GM's cars were in the 70's/80's/90's, not because they planned them out that way.

Yep. When I started designing for GM in the early 90's the attitude was "we sell all we make, so why try to improve". We would then point out that they've been losing market share for decades already, which of course just pissed them off.
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If anything, planned obsolescence was probably just referring to styling and other updates made to vehicles, not the long term reliability of the vehicle itself.
yes, GM was really the first company to say in X years this car is going to be replaced/restyled, etc

obsolescence just means it's out of date not that it doesn't work. My turntable is obsolete, but it still works. And planned obsolescence is brilliant and needed.
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I agree. I think it's more based on cost of materials and manufacturing. You can't make a Cadillac and sell it at Chevette pricing. (for you young punks, a Chevette was an entry level Chevy back before you were born)
That, and the attitude when I started in the early 90's was "good enough is good enough". If something worked they had little desire to try to improve it.
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Old June 2nd, 2009, 10:52 AM   #34
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of course, introduce a new tax, that's the answer. Then once all the people move away from gasoline and the government realizes they "lost" all those tax dollars, i'm sure they wouldn't find another way to tax you, would they?
They have a gas guzzler tax, but we don't have a fuel miser tax break.

Its all a conspiracy between the oil companies and the government to collect more taxes
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I agree. I think it's more based on cost of materials and manufacturing. You can't make a Cadillac and sell it at Chevette pricing. (for you young punks, a Chevette was an entry level Chevy back before you were born)
But they tried to do the opposite, sell a cavalier for Cadillac Money!
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This is my favorite line. What track record? What about making movies full of missleading information enabled you to know how to run an auto company?
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This is my favorite line. What track record? What about making movies full of missleading information enabled you to know how to run an auto company?
You'd think the fat ass would eat less to reduce his carbon footprint too!
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Old June 2nd, 2009, 01:42 PM   #39
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The $2 gas tax wouldn't work the way he thinks it will. It would partially do some good but for those who can't afford gas at the current price won't be able to afford the extra $2, let alone the cost of a new, hybrid/electric vehicle. Even if the prices came down, it wouldn't work. Look at all the people who drive piece of $hit cars that break down all the time, or are rusted to the point you need a shot after looking at it. They sure as hell can't afford a new vehicle. Ask my neighbor.

His ideas sound good on the surface, but if you think about it, they are not feasible. They are like reading a Ferrari brochure. Everything sounds great and you want to buy it, but you are still $344,000 short of being able to purchase one.
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You'd think the fat ass would eat less to reduce his carbon footprint too!
He could also ride a bicycle or walk somewhere and lose a little weight too.. and I am pretty sure he isn't fitting that fat ass into a prius or smart car. I have no respect for a convienent bender of the truth.
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