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Old May 26th, 2009, 09:10 PM   #81
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Hey Hombre...


Would you pull my ass over if I left my KC's uncovered? Particularly the high mounted ones. Not that I want to use them on the street, but the stupid smiley face covers are getting old.
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Old May 26th, 2009, 09:15 PM   #82
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isn't scottie the guy that trumps himself up to be an expert at all, especially the domestic auto market?


I'm more of an arguer, than a pure self proclaimed know itall bash domestic sorta guy
I meant with the weird cars and car forums you frequent

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Would be a very weak defense, as the part of the law that states: "unless it is equipped with a windshield of sufficient dimensions to protect the driver and occupants from insects, other airborne objects, and highway surface water and debris, when the motor vehicle is moving forward" basically means it needs to be up while moving forward.

Maybe if he drives in reverse......

But it is equipped with one of sufficient size to protect when moving forward. Your just choosing not to use it, based upon a design that allows it

Weak or not I'll try it if they ticket me for it one day. My flatty is seen often with the windshield down on the street around town. I have passed many local cops and they just wave, part of living in a small farming community.
We don't have Nazi's that try to control your life, no homeowner associations either, just a random city ordinances they don't enforce much
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Old May 26th, 2009, 09:22 PM   #83
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I have seen a few questions on here about the legality of it...I have seen some bad advice in the way that it is legal with dot approved goggles. It is not avoid the ticket. I asked fellow troopers and then deceided to ask the traffic saftey guru in Lansing...this was her response:

A windshield is required while driving on the road. According to the
Michigan Vehicle Code, "A motor vehicle shall not be operated on the
public highways of this state unless it is equipped with a windshield of
sufficient dimensions to protect the driver and occupants from insects,
other airborne objects, and highway surface water and debris, when the
motor vehicle is moving forward."

You may view the full law here:
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(kra...e=mcl-257-708a


Also, "(1) A person shall not sell a new motor vehicle nor shall a new
motor vehicle be registered thereafter which is designed or used for the
purpose of transporting passengers for compensation unless that vehicle
is equipped with safety glass wherever glass is used in doors, windows,
and windshields.

(2) A person shall not sell a new motor vehicle nor shall a new motor
vehicle be registered thereafter unless that vehicle is equipped with
safety glass wherever glass is used in the windshield, doors, and
windows; nor shall any glass be replaced in the windshield, doors, and
windows of a motor vehicle unless the glass is safety glass as herein
defined.

(3) The term “safety glass” shall mean a product composed of glass,
so manufactured, fabricated, or treated as substantially to prevent
shattering and flying of the glass when struck or broken."

You may view the full law here:
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(kra...me=mcl-257-711

Hope this helps B*****,

Sgt. Jill M. McKelvey
Michigan State Police
Traffic Safety Division
Traffic Services Section
4000 Collins Road
Lansing, MI 48909
TX: 517-336-6121
Fax: 517-336-6259
McKelveyJM@michigan.gov


9 out of 10 fellow officers i talked to said they would ticket...i wouldn't but i'm a jeeper...i pull u over to bs about jeeps...lol Good luck
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Old May 27th, 2009, 10:47 AM   #84
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Ive never had an issue in the 5. And bugs at 50mph dont hurt that bad...
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Old May 27th, 2009, 02:30 PM   #85
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One thing to understand, when it comes to advice from talking to a LEO, is to remember that they might be wrong.

There's been several instances on things board on similar topics like fender flares and mud flaps.

The above quotations section 257.708a are a good example of a misapplied law, that is regarding the requirements for sale of new vehicles, not for pre-existing vehicles. And is regarding the sale of vehicles, and not operating violations. The sections which actually pertain to the act of driving without a windshield are contained in other sections of Act 300 of 1949. (Hombre posted one of the correct sections).

A good example is the Michigan State Police flyer/handout above Michigan's 'High Rise' vehicle law. Thats a memo from 1992 written by Sgt Eric Johnson, its pretty common to see it, I think its posted in this forum somewhere. Its an easy to use summary for officers to use, its also got errors and legal misinterpretations in it, such as:

Section 257.714a of the Michigan Vehicle Code requires "commerical vehicles",which include pickup trucks, to have MUDFLAPS unless the rear of the vehicle is constructed so as to prevent water and other road surface substnaces from being thrown to the rear.

The issue is that isn't correct, according to the definition of commercial vehicles in Act 300 at all, and personal use vehicles do not require mudflaps. That partuclar section was also later repealed, anyway, yet there are plenty of people, LOEs included who quote that sheet as being the law.

Not to say all LEOs do not know the laws, but its not a given that they do know these types of technical details and interpret them correctly.
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Something hitting a biker in the face and taking him out of control does not unleash a 4200 pound vehicle across a median, center line etc.
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Something hitting a biker in the face and taking him out of control does not unleash a 4200 pound vehicle across a median, center line etc.
You cant dump a jeep though.
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