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Old May 26th, 2009, 09:28 AM   #61
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Plaster the back and sides of the Jeep with Police Booster stickers.
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Old May 26th, 2009, 09:47 AM   #62
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how do dune buggies get away with this
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Old May 26th, 2009, 10:00 AM   #63
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how do dune buggies get away with this
Street legal dune buggies are required to have a windshield and windshield wiper.

Even the historical vehicle Jeeps need their windshields up, since they were all equipped with windshields. The only time the historical vehicle thing works is if they weren't equipped in the first place, then they are exempt.
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Old May 26th, 2009, 10:04 AM   #64
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Meh the law says 'equipt' It doesn't say functional.

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pull a tire off, and 3 wheel it - that makes it a motorcycle :p of course you'll need to make sure you carry an endorsement for same on your license :)
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Old May 26th, 2009, 12:06 PM   #66
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then how was it that dune buggies don't have to have windsheilds 2 of mine didn;t is that because they are titled as roadsters and fall under the classic car part, I don't think trailrails buggy has a windsheild either and see him go down the road with goggles on

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Old May 26th, 2009, 12:18 PM   #67
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When I built my dune buggie & took it for an inspection to title it I had to have a windshield & wipers. That was back in 84.
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Old May 26th, 2009, 12:22 PM   #68
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When I built my dune buggie & took it for an inspection to title it I had to have a windshield & wipers. That was back in 84.
Thats my experience as well, when I looked at the requirements a few years back, its still the same.

Here's TR-54, which is the inspection form. Safety glass windshield and wipers are a requirement.

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/TR-54_38480_7.pdf

Plenty of people have firends who are police inspect them and be lenient on the inspection, but it doesn't mean its not required.

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pull a tire off, and 3 wheel it - that makes it a motorcycle :p of course you'll need to make sure you carry an endorsement for same on your license :)
Hehehe, that makes it an autocycle, not a motorcycle:

MICHIGAN VEHICLE CODE (EXCERPT)
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257.25a “Autocycle” defined.

Sec. 25a.

“Autocycle” means an enclosed motorcycle that is equipped with safety belts, rollbar, windshield, wipers, steering wheel, and equipment otherwise required on a motorcycle, and which has not more than 3 wheels in contact with the roadway at any 1 time.


History: Add. 1984, Act 328, Imd. Eff. Dec. 26, 1984
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Hehehe, that makes it an autocycle, not a motorcycle:

MICHIGAN VEHICLE CODE (EXCERPT)
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257.25a “Autocycle” defined.

Sec. 25a.

“Autocycle” means an enclosed motorcycle that is equipped with safety belts, rollbar, windshield, wipers, steering wheel, and equipment otherwise required on a motorcycle, and which has not more than 3 wheels in contact with the roadway at any 1 time.


History: Add. 1984, Act 328, Imd. Eff. Dec. 26, 1984
not if it's a SWB and not "enclosed" :p

does have me wondering however about the practicality of getting some small heap of shit like an old honda insight that got rear ended, gutting it out, and tossing a busa motor up front with a chain drive to a single rear tire.

wonder what the licensing fees are compared to an actual "car"
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not if it's a SWB and not "enclosed" :p

does have me wondering however about the practicality of getting some small heap of shit like an old honda insight that got rear ended, gutting it out, and tossing a busa motor up front with a chain drive to a single rear tire.

wonder what the licensing fees are compared to an actual "car"
It would be licensed as an Insight. It is what it is.
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It would be licensed as an Insight. It is what it is.
incorrect. given that it would more than likely have a salvage title first, and then have an assembled title due to the fact that it has more than two major components from a donor... it would no longer be "what it is".

during the inspection on the "assembled title" aspect of it, my hunch is that it would be reclassified due to being a 3 wheeler. it would be easy to nudge the inspector in that direction given the motorcycle engine, trans, and chain drive...
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Old May 26th, 2009, 04:07 PM   #73
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incorrect. given that it would more than likely have a salvage title first, and then have an assembled title due to the fact that it has more than two major components from a donor... it would no longer be "what it is".

during the inspection on the "assembled title" aspect of it, my hunch is that it would be reclassified due to being a 3 wheeler. it would be easy to nudge the inspector in that direction given the motorcycle engine, trans, and chain drive...
Holy hell are you going off in la-la land??
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Old May 26th, 2009, 07:26 PM   #74
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Holy hell are you going off in la-la land??
twas for kartracer's specific benefit. for some reason he seems to like to attempt to point out flaws in my posts, or at times just flat out disagree. *Shrug*

regardless, it is amusing, cause I readily admit that I am old (but not as old as Stan) and frequently post 1/2 memories of semi-forgotten knowledge.

regardless, I was thinking along the lines of the T-Rex, when I conjured up the ghetto Insight/Busa trike idea.

http://www.aquasunmotorsports.com/t_rex.html

the old "it is what it is" discussion is also clearly not accurate for cobbled together vehicles. what exactly is this as an example?

http://freedomtuningclub.forumcommunity.net/?t=27164929



http://www.sawauto.com/uploader/up1/2cv-nimik_1.jpg





yes... that's a Ferrari F355 with a Citroen 2CV cobbled onto it... granted it's in Italy, but... it should still prove the point.

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Are you sure your not related to Scottie?
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Sorry guys, my nephew, a MI.state cop told me a few years ago, when this was all hashed out, that" the law is grey" due to the fact that the windsheild is there which it states it has to be just not in the upright position and that it was up to the Officers descretion wether to ticket or let it ride.
This is not my opinion, this is just what I was told by 1 MI state trooper so take it for what it is.
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Are you sure your not related to Scottie?
isn't scottie the guy that trumps himself up to be an expert at all, especially the domestic auto market?


I'm more of an arguer, than a pure self proclaimed know itall bash domestic sorta guy
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Sorry guys, my nephew, a MI.state cop told me a few years ago, when this was all hashed out, that" the law is grey" due to the fact that the windsheild is there which it states it has to be just not in the upright position and that it was up to the Officers descretion wether to ticket or let it ride.
This is not my opinion, this is just what I was told by 1 MI state trooper so take it for what it is.
Would be a very weak defense, as the part of the law that states: "unless it is equipped with a windshield of sufficient dimensions to protect the driver and occupants from insects, other airborne objects, and highway surface water and debris, when the motor vehicle is moving forward" basically means it needs to be up while moving forward.

Maybe if he drives in reverse......
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isn't scottie the guy that trumps himself up to be an expert at all, especially the domestic auto market?


I'm more of an arguer, than a pure self proclaimed know itall bash domestic sorta guy
He's learned alot between being a porter, and working at autozone...
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Do people read these fucking threads before they post shit????? Dayum!!!!
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