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Old May 28th, 2009, 06:57 PM   #261
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That site is not a reputable source on this topic as they seem to have a misunderstanding on the theory of evolution. According to the theory, EVERY SINGLE animal that has ever lived, or ever will live is a "transitional form." We will probably never see a fossil of a half velociraptor, half chicken creature because that isn't how evolution works. IME 99.99% of the criticism of evolution stems from a misunderstanding of how it works.
Exactly, do you have the degree to back what you say. I know for sure that I do not, so I will take an induvidual that has a phd, scientist in thier field before I take your word for it, thanks
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Old May 28th, 2009, 07:55 PM   #262
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Exactly, do you have the degree to back what you say. I know for sure that I do not, so I will take an induvidual that has a phd, scientist in thier field before I take your word for it, thanks


Ok, since you appear to follow the bible, what do you think of this kind of stuff. Why pick and choose what you believe from the book?

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 - Virgin chicks are worth 50 silver pieces.

Corinthians 14:34-35 - Females can't speak in church

Deuteronomy 25:11-12 - If a girl goes to help her husband while he's being beat up, she should lose her hand?

So basically, women should be your slaves. Do you agree?


How about creation? Lets look at Genesis.

Genesis 1: 3-5 "And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."
Genesis 1:16-17 "And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth."

ok, so god made day and night on the first day, right? but according to Genesis 1 19, god made the moon and sun on the fourth day. Now how the hell could the earth stay in orbit without the gravitational pull of the sun for three complete days? And more importantly, how the hell can you have "day and night" as in day light without the sun?
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Old May 28th, 2009, 08:09 PM   #263
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Exactly, do you have the degree to back what you say. I know for sure that I do not, so I will take an induvidual that has a phd, scientist in thier field before I take your word for it, thanks
this statement confuses me, what exactly did I say that would require a degree to back up?
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Old May 28th, 2009, 09:12 PM   #264
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Ok, since you appear to follow the bible, what do you think of this kind of stuff. Why pick and choose what you believe from the book?

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 - Virgin chicks are worth 50 silver pieces.

Corinthians 14:34-35 - Females can't speak in church

Deuteronomy 25:11-12 - If a girl goes to help her husband while he's being beat up, she should lose her hand?

So basically, women should be your slaves. Do you agree?


How about creation? Lets look at Genesis.


Genesis 1: 3-5 "And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."
Genesis 1:16-17 "And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth."

ok, so god made day and night on the first day, right? but according to Genesis 1 19, god made the moon and sun on the fourth day. Now how the hell could the earth stay in orbit without the gravitational pull of the sun for three complete days? And more importantly, how the hell can you have "day and night" as in day light without the sun?
I really do not have an answer for you but I believe that He is God and He can do what ever He wants. i'm sure that if He can create the earth and all in it He can hold this planet in place until He figures out how He will keep it in place. Besides why question the very Being that put you here? Just go with it, It can't hurt. Just think if you put your trust and faith in Him He will take care of you and if you are wrong and don't trust and believe in Him then there is the alturnative. You really have nothing to lose by believing in Jesus Christ.


The first three books you talk bout, the old testament, in general, man was bound by law. Christ died for us, the law was abolished, new testament, and now we are saved by grace. We are no longer bound by law.

Our wives, slaves no, but they are to be our equal. Why would you want your wife to be your slave?
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Old May 28th, 2009, 09:19 PM   #265
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this statement confuses me, what exactly did I say that would require a degree to back up?
your quote on page 13 you tell me that the article does not know what they are talking about, well you need to back up what you say also. I put my quote in and you questioned it, wheres your proof? to discredit my article
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Ok, since you appear to follow the bible, what do you think of this kind of stuff. Why pick and choose what you believe from the book?

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 - Virgin chicks are worth 50 silver pieces.

Corinthians 14:34-35 - Females can't speak in church

So basically, women should be your slaves. Do you agree?

Cheap virgins? Women that have to keep their mouth shut? Smack a bitch for not minding her own business? I love this book!
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Old May 28th, 2009, 09:45 PM   #267
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your quote on page 13 you tell me that the article does not know what they are talking about, well you need to back up what you say also. I put my quote in and you questioned it, wheres your proof? to discredit my article
The article discredits itself when they keep referring to "transitional features." The "lack of transitional forms" is a common argument against evolution that is rooted in a misunderstanding of what the theory states. According to Darwin's theory every animal is a transitional form, there is no clear divide between species as evolution is a constant gradual process.

As far as proof of this, you could simply read up on evolution (If you do not understand this point you have no place criticizing evolution.) A much more detailed version of this is laid out in Richard Dawkins' book "The God Delusion" (I understand that this is not an unbiased source but it does explain what evolution entails, and is written by one of the worlds foremost evolutionary biologists.)
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Old May 28th, 2009, 09:46 PM   #268
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Cheap virgins? Women that have to keep their mouth shut? Smack a bitch for not minding her own business? I love this book!
no wonder it is a bestseller!
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Old May 28th, 2009, 10:09 PM   #269
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I really do not have an answer for you but I believe that He is God and He can do what ever He wants. i'm sure that if He can create the earth and all in it He can hold this planet in place until He figures out how He will keep it in place. Besides why question the very Being that put you here? Just go with it, It can't hurt. Just think if you put your trust and faith in Him He will take care of you and if you are wrong and don't trust and believe in Him then there is the alturnative. You really have nothing to lose by believing in Jesus Christ.


The first three books you talk bout, the old testament, in general, man was bound by law. Christ died for us, the law was abolished, new testament, and now we are saved by grace. We are no longer bound by law.

Our wives, slaves no, but they are to be our equal. Why would you want your wife to be your slave?
Why question it? Why not just "go with it"? Sounds like somebody who voted for Nobama

He was making the point that the bible says your wife is basically your slave, and since you thump the bible, shouldn't you treat your wife the way the bible says to? "smack up your ho, or go to hell"
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I really do not have an answer for you but I believe that He is God and He can do what ever He wants. i'm sure that if He can create the earth and all in it He can hold this planet in place until He figures out how He will keep it in place. Besides why question the very Being that put you here? Just go with it, It can't hurt. Just think if you put your trust and faith in Him He will take care of you and if you are wrong and don't trust and believe in Him then there is the alturnative. You really have nothing to lose by believing in Jesus Christ.


The first three books you talk bout, the old testament, in general, man was bound by law. Christ died for us, the law was abolished, new testament, and now we are saved by grace. We are no longer bound by law.

Our wives, slaves no, but they are to be our equal. Why would you want your wife to be your slave?

WOW! You're pretty much saying "Yeah, I choose to only look at the parts of the Bible that make sense to me, and pretend the other stuff isn't there because it confuses me and discredits it's authenticity." Way, to sound like a blind follower.
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Can someone also explain this to me; If God is all-knowing and all-powerful, then why does he allow horrible things to happen? Why did he allow 9-11 to happen? Then you'll tell me that he A. Does not interfere with our lives in that manner (even though you say that he is behind miracles) or B. It's all part of his plan (OK, so God's plan involves killing innocent people?)

If anyone has an answer please let me know.
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Old May 29th, 2009, 07:35 AM   #272
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So when god "spares" someone dying of cancer it is a miracle, but when someone dies a slow horrible death from cancer, god has taken them to a better place. Damn, That is win win! Almost makes me wish I had cancer, almost.



there is also the possibility that he never existed at all as there are no CONTEMPORARY historical records that talk about him (I do not necessarily think that he never existed as a man, but it is not proven that he did).
Are you telling me that we should have a complete undestanding of God? In My Belief, he's way beyond our Comprehension.
If you want a view from Christian Theology on this, Every thing is for the Glory of God. Every thing in this life is a test. Even some one who has Cancer is tested. That may be for 40 years, life is a test. What we do in those situations shows our character. God wants us to praise him in all things. It may seem selfish, but it's not.
If you were drowing in the middle of an ocean at night and there was only one life boat would you want the captin to let him self be known or to just glide silently through the night? I'm pretty sure you'd want him to bring as much Attention (glory) to himself as possible to save as many people as he can. Well, We're all sinners drowing in an ocean of sin and God is the Captin. If you see signs of God and reject him in times of toughness you're just allowing yourself to drown.

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Ok, since you appear to follow the bible, what do you think of this kind of stuff. Why pick and choose what you believe from the book?

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 - Virgin chicks are worth 50 silver pieces.

Corinthians 14:34-35 - Females can't speak in church

Deuteronomy 25:11-12 - If a girl goes to help her husband while he's being beat up, she should lose her hand?

So basically, women should be your slaves. Do you agree?


How about creation? Lets look at Genesis.

Genesis 1: 3-5 "And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."
Genesis 1:16-17 "And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth."

ok, so god made day and night on the first day, right? but according to Genesis 1 19, god made the moon and sun on the fourth day. Now how the hell could the earth stay in orbit without the gravitational pull of the sun for three complete days? And more importantly, how the hell can you have "day and night" as in day light without the sun?

About Genesis, He's God. He can do anything. It's not a scientific answer but if you want to argue biblical points, you have to accept biblical theology for answers.

The other verses I do'nt have time to research. I'm guaranteed that with the proper research into the verses you'd realize what they meant. There are so many differnt variables that go along with understadning scripture.
BTW, Ezekiel 23:19-20 is not about real people. It's talking about God's people and thier city. Go read the whole chapter, Maybe even the one before and after it. Context.

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Why question it? Why not just "go with it"? Sounds like somebody who voted for Nobama

He was making the point that the bible says your wife is basically your slave, and since you thump the bible, shouldn't you treat your wife the way the bible says to? "smack up your ho, or go to hell"
Actually According to the bible we should love our wifes. It's in Ephesians and multiple places in the NT. The OT quotes are from a different time period as right now. You can't apply this cultures morals to something that happened thousands of years ago with out proper understanding of the morals of that time. I'm pretty sure that goes for all History, not just biblical.

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Can someone also explain this to me; If God is all-knowing and all-powerful, then why does he allow horrible things to happen? Why did he allow 9-11 to happen? Then you'll tell me that he A. Does not interfere with our lives in that manner (even though you say that he is behind miracles) or B. It's all part of his plan (OK, so God's plan involves killing innocent people?)

If anyone has an answer please let me know.
I'll asnwer your question with question, Were does it say in the bible that life should be fair? Were in any part of our world do people get that it should be fair. We're dealt the cards we have, what we do with them is what's important. If you want to wine and complain about what sistuation your in that's your choice. Don't complain though when you don't get anywhere. If you seek God in your decisions in life, you will have have an eternal reward.

God does allow bad things to happen, but it's not his fault for those thigns happening. He's given us the free will to make the choices we do. The Suicide pilots made those choices to do what they did. The Bombers over in the middle east make those choices to do so. IT's not God forcing them to, not matter how much they may claim it. It's not him, thier being decived by men who are power hungry and using an extremist view of a peaceful religion to get what they want.

Think of LIfe as a Choose your own adventure book. There are written options at the end of every chapter. You can choose to go one way or another, that choice effects the rest of the book. God's plan is that as we go through this book we look at the signs and make those choices according to what his word says. Most instances it's obvious. Imagen a "God" option at the end of the chapter. A paragraph that hints to the best option to make his glory be known. You still have a choice to listen to that paragraph or not, but keep in mind that that paragraph is written by the author of the book. He know's the route to the best possible ending.
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So you're saying that there are no such things as miracles?

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Our wives, slaves no, but they are to be our equal. Why would you want your wife to be your slave?
I'd certainly get sex more often.
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WOW! You're pretty much saying "Yeah, I choose to only look at the parts of the Bible that make sense to me, and pretend the other stuff isn't there because it confuses me and discredits it's authenticity." Way, to sound like a blind follower.
Don't be an idiot. I am in no way a religious person, but if you do not understand the difference between the old and new testaments, rethink your comments.
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I'd certainly get sex more often.

You always have me. Oops, Bible sez no buttsecks.
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God did mention it First page Gen 1:20-26
God brought all the creatures to Adam to name all creatures.
Yeah, that's failing to mention specific creatures. It just says "all". Again, making my point for me. Thanks.
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I just read on the internet that is an actual photo from a long time ago

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About Genesis, He's God. He can do anything. It's not a scientific answer but if you want to argue biblical points, you have to accept biblical theology for answers.
And while I respect your thoughts/beliefs, this pretty much ends any conversation we could ever have about religion because in the end you can use that answer for anything that doesn't make sense.
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I have a question for the religious people: What would you do if Zeus revealed himself as real tomorrow? If your god was proven 100% false, and the true deity was known.

Would you continue to worship your previous false god or would you repent and follow Zeus?
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