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Old May 11th, 2009, 09:11 PM   #1
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Default T-max winch owners, do this fix before it breaks on the trail.

I can only speak for the competition 9000, so I'm not sure if the others are the same. So this will be a fix for the Competition t-max winch, until I hear otherwise.

The clutch handle is limited by a wedge pin that is made of the softest metal that tmax could evidently find. Picture lead, but half melted, and you now know how strong the pin is. If you push slightly past the limit of the pin (the pin is supposed to stop the travel) then it will break, the handle will fall out and you will lose the spring and ball that keeps the handle locked into the in or out position. Then you're SOL. I know of two other people with this winch, and they both failed on the first trip they had to use it.

I purchased the proper wedge pin, and after I installed it, I broke it on the bench with just a little force.

Here's my fix, and besides driving to get the new pin, it took less then 30 minutes from opening it up to find out what was wrong, to having it put back together and tested.

use a 4mm allen wrench to remove the 10 bolts holding the clutch side of the winch. When you go to remove the existing push pin, be VERY careful not to pull the clutch handle out!! Trust me, you will struggle for a while to get the spring and ball bearing back under the handle.






1/8" pin punch happens to be the proper diameter, and a gabillion times stronger.



I cut the punch 1/4" short, so it would sink into the handle, and could then easily be plug welded. This is next to part of the 2nd wedge pin that I broke



Then I welded the pin in (stupid camera phone picture) I put way more force then you, (or your winch bitch) would ever use against the free spool and engage limits of the clutch, and it is extremely sturdy.

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Old May 11th, 2009, 09:13 PM   #2
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i belive my freind had this same issue with his rcx8
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Old May 11th, 2009, 09:20 PM   #3
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thanks i have the same winch and mine broke @ the last bog i went to ! not the best pin forsure ! im going to try your way thanks for the info .......... other then that its a great winch !
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Other than it breaking the first time you use it, it's a good winch? At least there's a published fix. Good tech
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Old May 11th, 2009, 09:41 PM   #5
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Other than it breaking the first time you use it, it's a good winch? At least there's a published fix. Good tech
I'm not sure long term, but short term it appears to be a great winch. It pulls faster then the Warn 9.5. It does lack the ability to hold a lot of rope, and if you order one, make sure to order a competition fairlead, the normal fairleads allo the rope to run against the sharp corners of the winch
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Old May 11th, 2009, 09:56 PM   #6
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Nice tech .. I was wondering what happened.

So .... did you have to send it to JCR to have it welded?
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Old May 11th, 2009, 10:00 PM   #7
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i hate to say it but alot of the cheaper winches have this problem. i also see alot of motor failures when overworked/long pulls.
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i hate to say it but alot of the cheaper winches have this problem. i also see alot of motor failures when overworked/long pulls.
I bought this winch because it was cheaper then what I could buy a new brake for my warn.
If something major fails, then I'll chalk it up as a lesson learned

I have to say that after using the wireless t-max setup, it would be hard to go back to a corded winch.
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I have to say that after using the wireless t-max setup, it would be hard to go back to a corded winch.
once you get familiar with the delay..
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yes wireless is real damn nice

i just cant stand failures. i bought several "junk" winches and well i will never do that again and i refuse to sell them.

i wired my winch to a momentary toggle switch in the cab so a cord is not needed.

it will be cool to see a long term report on the durability of these too.
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There's a joke to be made here about shitty winches. I just won't make it


Good write up though on how to avoid trail aggravation
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Old May 12th, 2009, 06:08 AM   #12
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I had the same problem with my 9000 T-max. I used a drill bit shank for repair. The handle moves so easily that people tend to think that it needs to move further (about 45 degrees is all). I installed mine a year ago and so far it's holding up well.
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thanks for the tip... I'll be opening it up to fix before I use it... I wanted to stiffen the detent pin in it too because the lever seems heavy enough that a hard enough hit and you could get the winch to switch engagement on you... either that or turn up a lighter lever for it... maybe just an aluminum knob... we'l see. I'll post up what I do.
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yes wireless is real damn nice

i just cant stand failures. i bought several "junk" winches and well i will never do that again and i refuse to sell them.

i wired my winch to a momentary toggle switch in the cab so a cord is not needed.

it will be cool to see a long term report on the durability of these too.
Not sure what you consider "junk" but I ran a ramsey 8000 for two years without issue, it was just stupid slow, then I went to a ramsey 9000 that I got a good deal on for two years, never had an issue, just still stupid slow. Then I upgraded to a "high end" warn, and in the 1.5 years I ran it, I had a motor failure, my controller broke, had a solenoid go bad, then ultimately the brake wore out. When I went to purchase the part, and found out what Warn charges for the replacement brake , I decided never to give that company another penny.


Cliff notes: High end winches = total failure from my experiences.


My winch is also wired to a in-dash toggle switch system, but wireless is much better imo.
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Old May 12th, 2009, 07:36 AM   #15
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i hate warn winches too. never had a problem with ramsey either but yes slow. i love and have beat the snot out of several superwinches and i have to say im impressed.

to each their own. there are alot of choices out there and we dont all have to have the same thing. like i said it will be neat to see a long term report on these. this specific repair you hae to to do is real minor in my eyes. so if the rest of the winch holds up good than they could be a good choice for alot of people.
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I've run a variety over the years and have witnessed failures and good service from both the high end and low end brands. I had the same issue as CC. I had a Warn 9.5TI that I paid over a grand for. About 5 years later the brake went out and they wanted over $200 for the part. On top of that, the part was back ordered. hmmmmm .... what does that tell me?

The T-max brand has had good reviews so I figure to give it a try. So far, so good with the exception of the handle which was broken by an over zealous person wanting to help. I don't like the delay in the remote but also wired a momentary switch in cab. By the way, that's one of the other things I didn't like about the 9.5TI. It was supposed to be the most sealed winch on the market. When I took it apart, there was all kinds of crud in it.

Given the funds, my next one will be a Warn 8274 again.
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I will stand by my theory on winches... KISS. I wont own any winch but a simple m8000 style ever... a motor with some gears and a spool. solenoids are seperate from the winch and a winch is just a winch, not an air compressor, a jack, a wine cooler, a cocoa maker... my 25 year old warn M8000 worked so well i spent almost $400 to replace my old winch with a new one so I can keep the old M8000 around. if my cheap "comp" winch takes a crap I'll buy a really old M8000 and cut the drum down and run that.

warns dealer pricing is about 3 times what joe consumer can pick up a t-max for... seems like an easy choice.
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I may have to look at my XRC8, it supposedly is a rebadged t-maxx.

I have used it for 2 pulls, so far and no issues, the one lifted the front of the jeep off the ground

For the price I could have 3 of them for a Warn, I am half tempted to buy a 'spare' - it costs not much less then the Warn Brake from what you guy's say.

My other winch is a TX2, its about 30 years old, and the predecessor to the Megawinch. It can be complicated, but it pulls hard and hasn't failed me yet.
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Not sure what you consider "junk" but I ran a ramsey 8000 for two years without issue, it was just stupid slow, then I went to a ramsey 9000 that I got a good deal on for two years, never had an issue, just still stupid slow. Then I upgraded to a "high end" warn, and in the 1.5 years I ran it, I had a motor failure, my controller broke, had a solenoid go bad, then ultimately the brake wore out. When I went to purchase the part, and found out what Warn charges for the replacement brake , I decided never to give that company another penny.


Cliff notes: High end winches = total failure from my experiences.


My winch is also wired to a in-dash toggle switch system, but wireless is much better imo.
You just seem to have problems with high-end products.

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