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Old June 13th, 2014, 07:17 AM   #1
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Old June 14th, 2014, 07:14 AM   #2
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The speaker Ravi is a very smart man. I enjoy listening to him. Interesting how his first response was, do you lock your door at night? Who's really afraid?
Morals and do we need a book to guide us? We have had this discussion before and it is a good one.
If we are left to our own morals to decide how we live, who decides which is right and which is wrong?
Slavery was wrong, but morally accepted. Same with abortion.
Interesting clip Scott, thanks for sharing.
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I don't even know where the keys to my house are, but then I subscribe to the theory that the best way to avoid being burgled is to not have anything worth stealing.

There are several instances in history that show atrocities carried out in the name of the Lord, so I do not buy into the concept that following the Bible makes anyone more 'moral' than anyone else. I feel that there are people who will do bad things, regardless of religion.
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there are several[ "SEVERAL" is a GROSS understatement] instances in history that show atrocities carried out in the name of the lord, so i do not buy into the concept that following the bible makes anyone more 'moral' than anyone else. I feel that there are people who will do bad things, regardless of religion.
as in.........what's going on in iraq in the name of Allah?
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as in.........what's going on in iraq in the name of Allah?
Yessir. This is Islam's version of the Crusades.
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I don't even know where the keys to my house are, but then I subscribe to the theory that the best way to avoid being burgled is to not have anything worth stealing.

There are several instances in history that show atrocities carried out in the name of the Lord, so I do not buy into the concept that following the Bible makes anyone more 'moral' than anyone else. I feel that there are people who will do bad things, regardless of religion.
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as in.........what's going on in iraq in the name of Allah?
I think you could argue that this is proof that evil comes from with in us. Something that is meant to bring us to the (believed to be) creator of the universe is used to gain power, kill people, and control people.

Also, following the bible doesn't make us any more moral then anybody else, it just means we are more in line with the person we believe to be in charge and who is in charge of judging us when we die.
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the only problem in this world is that it is inhabited by human beings and we tend to mess everytihing up.

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I think you could argue that this is proof that evil comes from with in us. Something that is meant to bring us to the (believed to be) creator of the universe is used to gain power, kill people, and control people.

Also, following the bible doesn't make us any more moral then anybody else, it just means we are more in line with the person we believe to be in charge and who is in charge of judging us when we die.
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I get tired of arguing the same old 'Satan made me do it' stance with some 'Christians'.
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The speaker Ravi is a very smart man. I enjoy listening to him. Interesting how his first response was, do you lock your door at night? Who's really afraid?
Morals and do we need a book to guide us? We have had this discussion before and it is a good one.
If we are left to our own morals to decide how we live, who decides which is right and which is wrong?
Slavery was wrong, but morally accepted. Same with abortion.
Interesting clip Scott, thanks for sharing.
Your book condones slavery.
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All morality is subjective. You may have handed the decisions on morality over to some god or belief system, but that decision was still yours.

For example of the dangers of believing in an absolute morality system one only needs to look at what happens in places that practice extreme Islam.
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All morality is subjective. You may have handed the decisions on morality over to some god or belief system, but that decision was still yours.<====SPOT ON
For example of the dangers of believing in an absolute morality system one only needs to look at what happens in places that practice extreme Islam.<=====CONSIQUENCES
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Your book condones slavery.
Yeah, it requires the believer to treat thier slaves with respect and as humans. Culture, context,
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All morality is subjective. You may have handed the decisions on morality over to some god or belief system, but that decision was still yours.

For example of the dangers of believing in an absolute morality system one only needs to look at what happens in places that practice extreme Islam.
Let's pretend that God is the creator of the universe. He says "these are the correct morals to follow". Those morals are not Subjective, this is his world, his rules, his stuff. Who are we to question those morals?
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Ah, but Men wrote down the rules in the Bible, as well as the rest of the Bible. The Bible also tells us that all Men are fallible, so then there is a chance that the Word of God was written down incorrectly.
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Ah, but Men wrote down the rules in the Bible, as well as the rest of the Bible. The Bible also tells us that all Men are fallible, so then there is a chance that the Word of God was written down incorrectly.
Maybe once or twice, but not thousands of years worth.

Also, as a parent, I make sure my kids understand what I say. I may have to say it couple hundred times, but they know what I mean when I'm done. It took God a couple thousand years to get it to us. Well....some of us. :teehee
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Let's pretend that God is the creator of the universe. He says "these are the correct morals to follow". Those morals are not Subjective, this is his world, his rules, his stuff. Who are we to question those morals?
Now lets pretend some freakin genius wrote the book a couple hundred years ago to persuade people into thinking his way is the right way and then the book got taken way too seriously.

The bible is a good teaching tool, but I don't think there is a creator.
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Ah, but Men wrote down the rules in the Bible, as well as the rest of the Bible. The Bible also tells us that all Men are fallible, so then there is a chance that the Word of God was written down incorrectly.
if there is anyplace in the Bible where it sez "this book actually written by God" let me know. otherwise it appears to have been penned by human beings, often years/decades after the described events then assembled into a book wherein some writers of "books" are not included.....a decision also made by human beings....makes ya wonder.
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if there is anyplace in the Bible where it sez "this book actually written by God" let me know. otherwise it appears to have been penned by human beings, often years/decades after the described events then assembled into a book wherein some writers of "books" are not included.....a decision also made by human beings....makes ya wonder.
Dianetics, which is more or less the Bible of Scientology, was written by a science fiction writer- and there's a shit ton of followers of that 'faith'.... so you just might be on to something.
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if there is anyplace in the Bible where it sez "this book actually written by God" let me know. otherwise it appears to have been penned by human beings, often years/decades after the described events then assembled into a book wherein some writers of "books" are not included.....a decision also made by human beings....makes ya wonder.
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Dianetics, which is more or less the Bible of Scientology, was written by a science fiction writer- and there's a shit ton of followers of that 'faith'.... so you just might be on to something.
Do you guys accept the ideology of Socrates? Because the only existing documents of his work were written quite a bit removed from his originals. Who's not to say his work was augmented by the scribe.

Not to mention if it did say "this book authored by God" you would still not accept it because of the ramifications of what that acceptance would be.
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