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Old April 22nd, 2009, 08:23 PM   #1
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Default HR 45 - Firearm licensing/record/sales act - anyone heard of this??

I just got an email with the following info on this bill in it....unreal, but expected I suppose

Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm - any rifle with a clip or ANY pistol unless:

.It is registered
.You are fingerprinted
.You supply a current Driver's License
.You supply your Social Security #
.You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing
.Each update - change or ownership through private or public sale must be reported and costs $25
- Failure to do so you automatically lose the right to own a firearm and are subject up to a year in jail.

.There is a child provision clause on page 16 section 305 stating a child-access provision. Gun must be locked and inaccessible to any child under 18.

The Government would have the right to come and inspect that you are storing your gun safely away from accessibility to children and fine is punishable for up to 5 yrs. in prison.


]Source: http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/text



WTF.....don't get me wrong, I'm all for keeping guns away from those who shouldn't have them, but this is a little too much control for me.....
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Old April 22nd, 2009, 09:14 PM   #2
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Introduced (wish list)

Goes to committee (back room dealing and influence pedaling)

What comes back to the floor will likely be watered down and barely resemble what is introduced, if this particular bill even comes back out of committee.

Democratic members of Congress have been introducing these type of bills pretty much every year since, a long time ago.
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Introduced (wish list)

Goes to committee (back room dealing and influence pedaling)

What comes back to the floor will likely be watered down and barely resemble what is introduced, if this particular bill even comes back out of committee.

Democratic members of Congress have been introducing these type of bills pretty much every year since, a long time ago.
that doesnt make it right.

A little more light reading on what that Nigg@r obama is pushing.

http://capwiz.com/gunowners/issues/a...ertid=13188856
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I just got an email with the following info on this bill in it....unreal, but expected I suppose

Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm - any rifle with a clip or ANY pistol unless:

.It is registered
.You are fingerprinted
.You supply a current Driver's License
.You supply your Social Security #
.You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing
.Each update - change or ownership through private or public sale must be reported and costs $25
- Failure to do so you automatically lose the right to own a firearm and are subject up to a year in jail.

.There is a child provision clause on page 16 section 305 stating a child-access provision. Gun must be locked and inaccessible to any child under 18.

The Government would have the right to come and inspect that you are storing your gun safely away from accessibility to children and fine is punishable for up to 5 yrs. in prison.


]Source: http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/text



WTF.....don't get me wrong, I'm all for keeping guns away from those who shouldn't have them, but this is a little too much control for me.....
What part of this is too controlling for you? I don't agree with the $25 charge because it seen like a way to get a little cash out of the deal, but I don't see what else is so wrong. God forbid you give someone a driver's license (like you do when you use a credit card), give someone your ss# (like you do for fawking everything), give a fingerprint (like you do when you return scrap metal), or get an evaluation so hopefully they can sift out school shooters and the like.
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What part of this is too controlling for you? I don't agree with the $25 charge because it seen like a way to get a little cash out of the deal, but I don't see what else is so wrong. God forbid you give someone a driver's license (like you do when you use a credit card), give someone your ss# (like you do for fawking everything), give a fingerprint (like you do when you return scrap metal), or get an evaluation so hopefully they can sift out school shooters and the like.
The big fallacy with that type of bill is that it will not affect crime rate. A person (such as the various school shooters) will never follow the law, no matter what it is, I mean, think about it... Do you really think that a person intent on murdering several individuals would hesitate to do that act becasue he would be violating a law that was, in effect, a misdemeanor? Not likely.

Another problem. As a psychologist, I am a strong believer in the confidentially of information. This law would require that every applicant be evaluated by a mental health professional (psychiatrist or psychologist) and then have that professional report their findings to the government. Doesn't that seem a litttle Orwellian?
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What part of this is too controlling for you? I don't agree with the $25 charge because it seen like a way to get a little cash out of the deal, but I don't see what else is so wrong. God forbid you give someone a driver's license (like you do when you use a credit card), give someone your ss# (like you do for fawking everything), give a fingerprint (like you do when you return scrap metal), or get an evaluation so hopefully they can sift out school shooters and the like.
Since when does the second amendment say I have to have a driver's license or SS# to own a gun? Rather, it says as a citizen, I have a RIGHT to own a gun.
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I hate things like that, I really want to meet someone that thinks that way. I do not understand why they think they can take away other peoples constitutional rights. This may not directly take away my rights t own a gun but it is one more, huge step in that direction.
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Amendment XXII
Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

What about this amendment?
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Since when does the second amendment say I have to have a driver's license or SS# to own a gun? Rather, it says as a citizen, I have a RIGHT to own a gun.
So, do you think that a 12 year-old should be able to buy a gun? It doesn't say that they can't.
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take away the ability for the citizens to defend themselves. Step 1.
people really need to read history. ofailma is too dumb to think for himself, all he is doing is pulling plays from his socio idols.
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So, do you think that a 12 year-old should be able to buy a gun? It doesn't say that they can't.

You sound like a liberal ass wipe....

What 12 year old has a drivers lic

What 12 year old knows their ss #

What 12 year old has thier finger prints on file

What 12 year old would appear to be mentally stable

So now you want to create a bunch of new government control that YOU say will help school shootings by school kids, But not one of these new controls is relevant to a school kid....

Typical liberal Obama bullshit talk that all the dumbasses of this country fall for and vote for...

It's more government bullshit that will do nothing but put additional government control on the law abbiding American, on the path to socialism

This is the typical stupidity that is running this country....
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You sound like a liberal ass wipe....

What 12 year old has a drivers lic

What 12 year old knows their ss #

What 12 year old has thier finger prints on file

What 12 year old would appear to be mentally stable

So now you want to create a bunch of new government control that YOU say will help school shootings by school kids, But not one of these new controls is relevant to a school kid....

Typical liberal Obama bullshit talk that all the dumbasses of this country fall for and vote for...

It's more government bullshit that will do nothing but put additional government control on the law abbiding American, on the path to socialism

This is the typical stupidity that is running this country....
I don't know the point of your post, but what I am saying is that a lot of people on here are saying that everyone has the right to own a gun, so I commented that their ideals would allow kids to own guns. Still following me here? I don't think that a 12 year-old should own a gun as I'm sure most people on here would agree with. The new laws they are trying to pass would obviously make it impossible for a youngster to buy a gun, which it already is.....wtf is your point?

You essentially said that these new laws would make it impossible for a 12 year-old to buy a gun. This does not change the current laws. Am I missing something?
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BTW Mr.Toes, the school shooter at V.T. legally bought his guns even though he was said by many to be off his rocker. The psyc. evaluation WOULD have helped in this case.
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So, do you think that a 12 year-old should be able to buy a gun? It doesn't say that they can't.
no i think they shouldnt have to buy one they should be issued one at birth

i also belive that in order to own any form of communication divice you need a ss#and a valid drivers license and pshycilogical test
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at the tender age of 12 i owned several firearms. i didnt kill anyone.
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I got a 12ga. when I turned 13, but that's different from a 12 year-old going out and buying one.
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What part of this is too controlling for you? I don't agree with the $25 charge because it seen like a way to get a little cash out of the deal, but I don't see what else is so wrong. God forbid you give someone a driver's license (like you do when you use a credit card), give someone your ss# (like you do for fawking everything), give a fingerprint (like you do when you return scrap metal), or get an evaluation so hopefully they can sift out school shooters and the like.
Holy post of retardation right there.
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Holy post of retardation right there.
Please explain. The new laws will make it harder for criminals and lunatics to buy guns. You and I would not be affected besides giving some additional info.
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Please explain. The new laws will make it harder for criminals and lunatics to buy guns. You and I would not be affected besides giving some additional info.
please do not remove the democrat cumshaft from your mouth.
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please do not remove the democrat cumshaft from your mouth.
You don't think that a criminal has ever used a fake ID to buy a gun? It seems like I tried to actually use some logic and nobody can come back wit anything relevant.
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