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Old May 17th, 2006, 09:31 PM   #1
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it is said that Robin Hood fought against the looting rulers and returned the loot to those who had been robbed, but that is not the meaning of the legend which has survived. He is remembered, not as a champion of property, but as a champion of need, not as a defender of the robbed, but as a provider of the poor. He is held to be the first man who assumed a halo of virtue by practicing charity with wealth which he did not own, by giving away goods which he had not produced, by making others pay for the luxury of his pity. He is the man who became the symbol of the idea that need, not achievement, is the source of rights, that we don't have to produce, only to want, that the earned does not belong to us, but the unearned does. He became a justification for every mediocrity who, unable to make his own living, had demanded the power to dispose of the property of his betters, by proclaiming his willingness to devote his life to his inferiors at the price of robbing his superiors.
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Old May 17th, 2006, 10:33 PM   #2
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I think I just heard the collective go, huh.:tonka:
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so CC is the new Robinhood ???
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i keep hearing about ayn rand, the more i hear the more i like. Guess i need to read his books.
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Old May 19th, 2006, 06:10 PM   #5
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i keep hearing about ayn rand, the more i hear the more i like. Guess i need to read his books.

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I like reading all of the papers and lectures she has done but Atlas Shrugged is the best.
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Old May 21st, 2006, 09:19 AM   #6
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You like Atlas Shrugged better than The Fountainhead? Havent read Atlas.
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Old May 21st, 2006, 12:23 PM   #7
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You like Atlas Shrugged better than The Fountainhead? Havent read Atlas.

Oh hell yes. Fountainhead was a good book, although I know alot of people don't think so.
But Atlas Shrugged is much,much better.
I have read it 3 times over the years, even did the books-on-tape thing a few years ago.
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So Robin Hood was the first Democrat?
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Old May 23rd, 2006, 11:55 AM   #9
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So Robin Hood was the first Democrat?
You beat me to it. My thoughts exactly. Sort of explains the name Robin HOOD doesn't it...
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Oh hell yes. Fountainhead was a good book, although I know alot of people don't think so.
But Atlas Shrugged is much,much better.
I have read it 3 times over the years, even did the books-on-tape thing a few years ago.
I agree! Atlas Shrugged should be required reading for all high school students.
The Ayn Rand society, or foundation has a scholarship they give each year to the high school student who writes the best essay based off either book I believe.
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Old May 23rd, 2006, 08:59 PM   #11
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Who's quote is that? Karl Marx?
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Old May 23rd, 2006, 10:45 PM   #12
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i keep hearing about ayn rand, the more i hear the more i like. Guess i need to read his books.
I should read them to.

But the more I hear about her the more she sound like the typical social commentator that has never actually done any real work in her entire life. She come acrossed to me as a bitter, angry, overly cynical, selfish woman who never did anything of value, just told other what she thinks.

And many of her "followers' seem to be people who use her writings as a means to justify thier simularly selfish behaviour.
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Old May 23rd, 2006, 11:42 PM   #13
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I should read them to.

But the more I hear about her the more she sound like the typical social commentator that has never actually done any real work in her entire life. She come acrossed to me as a bitter, angry, overly cynical, selfish woman who never did anything of value, just told other what she thinks.

And many of her "followers' seem to be people who use her writings as a means to justify thier simularly selfish behaviour.
hmm ok now that i know its a chic (who could tell with a name like ayn) now thanks to your comments brewman i need to read her up on biography/ accomplishments, then maybe read her writtings. Quit adding more work to my todo list, its to long already
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funny.

I have always thought of Robin Hood as the first tax protestor... (seems like most of his thefts were from the sheriff of knottingham's tax collection agents)

However, it has been ages since I have read the classical story of Robin Hood, and virtually all of the recent movies featuring a robin-hood-esque character have been fairly farcical in nature.
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You beat me to it. My thoughts exactly. Sort of explains the name Robin HOOD doesn't it...
I had the same thoughts exactly ....and robin hood wore tights , maybe he sipped a latte and had round table discussions on how to curb the land's issues.
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Old June 10th, 2006, 09:16 PM   #16
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She needs to learn how to write. Many people think using more words than necessary to get your point across instills power and intelligence in your writing.

Just sounds like run-on crazy babbling to me.
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My brain now hurts from trying to keep up.




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well If Robin Hood was Dem, and his girl was "made" Marion...sounds just like deja vue...
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For twelve years you've been asking "Who is John Galt?" This is John Galt speaking. I'm the man who's taken away your victims and thus destroyed your world. You've heard it said that this is an age of moral crisis and that Man's sins are destroying the world. But your chief virtue has been sacrifice, and you've demanded more sacrifices at every disaster. You've sacrificed justice to mercy and happiness to duty. So why should you be afraid of the world around you?

Your world is only the product of your sacrifices. While you were dragging the men who made your happiness possible to your sacrificial altars, I beat you to it. I reached them first and told them about the game you were playing and where it would take them. I explained the consequences of your 'brother-love' morality, which they had been too innocently generous to understand. You won't find them now, when you need them more than ever.

We're on strike against your creed of unearned rewards and unrewarded duties. If you want to know how I made them quit, I told them exactly what I'm telling you tonight. I taught them the morality of Reason -- that it was right to pursue one's own happiness as one's principal goal in life. I don't consider the pleasure of others my goal in life, nor do I consider my pleasure the goal of anyone else's life.

I am a trader. I earn what I get in trade for what I produce. I ask for nothing more or nothing less than what I earn. That is justice. I don't force anyone to trade with me; I only trade for mutual benefit. Force is the great evil that has no place in a rational world. One may never force another human to act against his/her judgment. If you deny a man's right to Reason, you must also deny your right to your own judgment. Yet you have allowed your world to be run by means of force, by men who claim that fear and joy are equal incentives, but that fear and force are more practical.

You've allowed such men to occupy positions of power in your world by preaching that all men are evil from the moment they're born. When men believe this, they see nothing wrong in acting in any way they please. The name of this absurdity is 'original sin'. That's inmpossible. That which is outside the possibility of choice is also outside the province of morality. To call sin that which is outside man's choice is a mockery of justice. To say that men are born with a free will but with a tendency toward evil is ridiculous. If the tendency is one of choice, it doesn't come at birth. If it is not a tendency of choice, then man's will is not free.

And then there's your 'brother-love' morality. Why is it moral to serve others, but not yourself? If enjoyment is a value, why is it moral when experienced by others, but not by you? Why is it immoral to produce something of value and keep it for yourself, when it is moral for others who haven't earned it to accept it? If it's virtuous to give, isn't it then selfish to take?

Your acceptance of the code of selflessness has made you fear the man who has a dollar less than you because it makes you feel that that dollar is rightfully his. You hate the man with a dollar more than you because the dollar he's keeping is rightfully yours. Your code has made it impossible to know when to give and when to grab.

You know that you can't give away everything and starve yourself. You've forced yourselves to live with undeserved, irrational guilt. Is it ever proper to help another man? No, if he demands it as his right or as a duty that you owe him. Yes, if it's your own free choice based on your judgment of the value of that person and his struggle. This country wasn't built by men who sought handouts. In its brilliant youth, this country showed the rest of the world what greatness was possible to Man and what happiness is possible on Earth.

Then it began apologizing for its greatness and began giving away its wealth, feeling guilty for having produced more than ikts neighbors. Twelve years ago, I saw what was wrong with the world and where the battle for Life had to be fought. I saw that the enemy was an inverted morality and that my acceptance of that morality was its only power. I was the first of the men who refused to give up the pursuit of his own happiness in order to serve others.

To those of you who retain some remnant of dignity and the will to live your lives for yourselves, you have the chance to make the same choice. Examine your values and understand that you must choose one side or the other. Any compromise between good and evil only hurts the good and helps the evil.

If you've understood what I've said, stop supporting your destroyers. Don't accept their philosophy. Your destroyers hold you by means of your endurance, your generosity, your innocence, and your love. Don't exhaust yourself to help build the kind of world that you see around you now. In the name of the best within you, don't sacrifice the world to those who will take away your happiness for it.

The world will change when you are ready to pronounce this oath:
I swear by my Life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man,
nor ask another man to live for the sake of mine.

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I should read them to.

But the more I hear about her the more she sound like the typical social commentator that has never actually done any real work in her entire life. She come acrossed to me as a bitter, angry, overly cynical, selfish woman who never did anything of value, just told other what she thinks.

And many of her "followers' seem to be people who use her writings as a means to justify thier simularly selfish behaviour.
This might be the dumbest thing I have read on this site ever....
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