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Old April 17th, 2009, 09:28 AM   #1
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Will liberals ever learn to not shit on veterans?

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Old April 17th, 2009, 10:26 AM   #2
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no. bunch of ungreatful fawkers.
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You do realize it was President George W. Bush that asked for a threat report on both Right Wing Estremists and Left Wing Extremists, don't you? These are his reports, compiled by the DHS under his watch, with the help of the FBI.

It pointed out how the Extreme Right Wing in this country will use the current (over the past couple of years) state of affairs to try and recruit people, including returning veterans.

It just so happens that these reports were completed, issued and released after Pres. Bush left office. IN the case of the Extreme Left Wing report, is just days after inauguration.

But, I am sure none of that (factual information) matters and I am just spinning.

BTW: I read both of the unclassified reports (not that long, 9 or so pages) and I can not disagree with either of them. In fact, if you look at the comments on this and other websites you will see that the concern about the Right Wing Extremists are valid. I don't frequent many sites that espouse the Extreme Left Wing view, but I am sure you can find them as well.
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Old April 17th, 2009, 11:10 AM   #4
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The Federal Bureau of Investigation earlier this year launched a nationwide operation targeting white supremacists and "militia/sovereign-citizen extremist groups," including a focus on veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan, according to memos sent from bureau headquarters to field offices.

I dont know either way but the article is saying alot of this year stuff.

Since I am a member of the NRA I guess I am being very extremist.
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to all the liberals out there.........OOHGA BOOGHA BOOGHA
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even if this report was compiled by the Bush administration, does it still make it right or even seem somewhat sensible to try and alienate us from the rest of society? Didn't anyone read the report and think, "hmmm this might shed a discerning light on the very people that defend our country"? It's easy to make assumptions and call it accumulated data from behind a desk, or in front of a T.V.
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mike, just like selective taxing the day is coming where obama much like stalin will intern and kill those in suspicion. anyone who speaks against him, anyone who does not follow his orders, anyone that goes against his gestapo. I sure hope the people like it.

strategically targeting veterans allows him to remove a tactical edge from any civilain revolt. not stop it. but if veterans were able to lead any sort of revolt he would have far less chance of thwarting it. all in good time and all part of his plan. you will see the day when

1. you cannot speak against him without being jailed or killed.
2. you may only read materials that he will allow you to read
3. increased public portrayal propaganda of our unquestioned leader

I tell you anyone who doubts it should read on the strategies of the bolsheviks and how similar our legislation has become.
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I'm sure had this report come out last month.... Obama's reception here in Iraq might have not been so warm.
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Follow this link and read the actual document (it is only 10 pages, easy reading). Yes, it is through the HuffingtonPost, but all other sources on the story in the first page of the search are news stories and opinions withou tthe actual unclassified document. So, for lack of a more acceptable source for some of you, the Actual DHS Report will have to do.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_186834.html


No where in that report does it say that veterans will become terrorists. It does say however, that under the present circumstances in the US, they could be targeted for recruitment by right wing extremist groups.

And if you are interested, here it a link to the Left Wing Extremist report from the DHS. Through a link on Fox News.

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/...ist_Threat.pdf
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The Federal Bureau of Investigation earlier this year launched a nationwide operation targeting white supremacists and "militia/sovereign-citizen extremist groups," including a focus on veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan, according to memos sent from bureau headquarters to field offices.

I dont know either way but the article is saying alot of this year stuff.

Since I am a member of the NRA I guess I am being very extremist.


From the same article:

The documents outlining Operation Vigilant Eagle cite a surge in activity by such groups. The memos say the FBI's focus on veterans began as far back as December, during the final weeks of the Bush administration, when the bureau's domestic counterterrorism division formed a special joint working group with the Defense Department.

And there is nothing in that article or the report that says the NRA or it's members are extremists. Although I am sure some of the members are, just some Sierra Club and PETA members are extremists.
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Follow this link and read the actual document (it is only 10 pages, easy reading). Yes, it is through the HuffingtonPost, but all other sources on the story in the first page of the search are news stories and opinions withou tthe actual unclassified document. So, for lack of a more acceptable source for some of you, the Actual DHS Report will have to do.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_186834.html


No where in that report does it say that veterans will become terrorists. It does say however, that under the present circumstances in the US, they could be targeted for recruitment by right wing extremist groups.

And if you are interested, here it a link to the Left Wing Extremist report from the DHS. Through a link on Fox News.

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/...ist_Threat.pdf
Gee, I didnt know the constitution was a document of rightwing extremists.

"(U) Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration."
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mike, just like selective taxing the day is coming where obama much like stalin will intern and kill those in suspicion. anyone who speaks against him, anyone who does not follow his orders, anyone that goes against his gestapo. I sure hope the people like it.

strategically targeting veterans allows him to remove a tactical edge from any civilain revolt. not stop it. but if veterans were able to lead any sort of revolt he would have far less chance of thwarting it. all in good time and all part of his plan. you will see the day when

1. you cannot speak against him without being jailed or killed.
2. you may only read materials that he will allow you to read
3. increased public portrayal propaganda of our unquestioned leader

I tell you anyone who doubts it should read on the strategies of the bolsheviks and how similar our legislation has become.
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The shit's gonna hit the fan boys.
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If these are Bushs reports and he asked for them, why did Janet Napolitano apologize?
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Don't know. Ask PeteC.

I'm sure the Huffpos will explain it.

Pete, do you really read that bullshit site?
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mike, just like selective taxing the day is coming where obama much like stalin will intern and kill those in suspicion. anyone who speaks against him, anyone who does not follow his orders, anyone that goes against his gestapo. I sure hope the people like it.

strategically targeting veterans allows him to remove a tactical edge from any civilain revolt. not stop it. but if veterans were able to lead any sort of revolt he would have far less chance of thwarting it. all in good time and all part of his plan. you will see the day when

1. you cannot speak against him without being jailed or killed.
2. you may only read materials that he will allow you to read
3. increased public portrayal propaganda of our unquestioned leader

I tell you anyone who doubts it should read on the strategies of the bolsheviks and how similar our legislation has become.
I think heavy metal may be leaching out of that foil hat into your brain. If I thought anything remotely like what you're saying was actually happening I would be actively looking for a way to move to another country.
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Labeling is a good way for the government to place negative focus on a group of people. dont like taxes gays or gun laws? your a right wing extremeist. Maybe its a deeper lying issue than a immigrant can understand, but the current political situation is driving people to extremes. having been born and raised with a strong background in patriotism and a sense of duty to my country, i can sympathise with the "extremeists". the current president and his group of commies are out to change the way america is ran. no one likes seeing their way of life trampled on.
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