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Old April 6th, 2009, 09:50 AM   #21
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try that in clare county..... the quote is" welcome to clare county, come on vacation, leave with a citation." i know for a fact, if they are wrong, and you get caught driving without insurance, your ass is goin straight to jail. i may have been there for that once or twice.
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Proof?
Not that it matters and you will still see it how you want but:



TITLE 49 - TRANSPORTATION

SUBTITLE B - OTHER REGULATIONS RELATING TO TRANSPORTATION

CHAPTER V - NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION

SUBCHAPTER B - SAFETY APPROVAL OF CARGO CONTAINERS

PART 571 - FEDERAL MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY STANDARDS

subpart a - GENERAL

571.3 - Definitions.
Low-speed vehicle (LSV) means a motor vehicle, (1) that is 4-wheeled, (2) whose speed attainable in 1.6 km (1 mile) is more than 32 kilometers per hour (20 miles per hour) and not more than 40 kilometers per hour (25 miles per hour) on a paved level surface, and (3) whose GVWR is less than 1,134 kilograms (2,500 pounds).

TITLE 29 - LABOR

SUBTITLE B - REGULATIONS RELATING TO LABOR

CHAPTER XVII - OCCUPATIONAL SAFETY AND HEALTH ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT OF LABOR

PART 1910 - OCCUPATIONAL SAFETY AND HEALTH STANDARDS

subpart j - GENERAL ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROLS

1910.145 - Specifications for accident prevention signs and tags.
(7)(9) [Reserved] (10) Slow-moving vehicle emblem. This emblem (see fig. J7) consists of a fluorescent yellow-orange triangle with a dark red reflective border.

The yellow-orange fluorescent triangle is a highly visible color for daylight exposure. The reflective border defines the shape of the fluorescent color in daylight and creates a hollow red triangle in the path of motor vehicle headlights at night. The emblem is intended as a unique identification for, and it shall be used only on, vehicles which by design move slowly (25 m.p.h. or less) on the public roads. The emblem is not a clearance marker for wide machinery nor is it intended to replace required lighting or marking of slow-moving vehicles. Neither the color film pattern and its dimensions nor the backing shall be altered to permit use of advertising or other markings. The material, location, mounting, etc., of the emblem shall be in accordance with the American Society of Agricultural Engineers Emblem for Identifying Slow-Moving Vehicles, ASAE R276, 1967, or ASAE S276.2 (ANSI B114.11971), which are incorporated by reference as specified in 1910.6. (image) Figure J7Slow-Moving Vehicle Emblem View or download PDF Note: All dimensions are in inches.

Since with the above your orange triangle does not make it legal

MICHIGAN VEHICLE CODE (EXCERPT)
Act 300 of 1949


257.328 Producing evidence of motor vehicle insurance upon request of police officer; violation as civil infraction; certificate of insurance as prima facie evidence that insurance in force; contents; presentation of proof of insurance to court; civil infraction determination; surrendering license unless proof of insurance submitted to court; suspension of license by secretary of state; order; fee; renewal, transfer, or replacement of registration plate; producing false evidence as misdemeanor; penalty; points; section inapplicable to owner or operator of motor vehicle registered in other state or foreign country or province.
Sec. 328.
(1) The owner of a motor vehicle who operates or permits the operation of the motor vehicle upon the highways of this state or the operator of the motor vehicle shall produce, pursuant to subsection (2), upon the request of a police officer, evidence that the motor vehicle is insured under chapter 31 of the insurance code of 1956, 1956 PA 218, MCL 500.3101 to 500.3179. Subject to section 907(16), an owner or operator of a motor vehicle who fails to produce evidence of insurance under this subsection when requested to produce that evidence or who fails to have motor vehicle insurance for the vehicle as required under chapter 31 of the insurance code of 1956, 1956 PA 218, MCL 500.3101 to 500.3179, is responsible for a civil infraction.


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Old April 6th, 2009, 02:47 PM   #23
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Not sure if the ORV on the shoulder laws apply to a full size vehicle. Might have a problem there without an SOS plate. But I am not sure. Check with your local PD and DNR.
Does anyone know anything about this? Alpena county passed the regulation making it legal to drive an ORV on the shoulder of the road. Does anyone know if a fullsize vehicle (or lets say a tube chassis rock crawler) with an ORV sticker would then be allowed to run the shoulder of roads without plates and insurance?
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Does anyone know anything about this? Alpena county passed the regulation making it legal to drive an ORV on the shoulder of the road. Does anyone know if a fullsize vehicle (or lets say a tube chassis rock crawler) with an ORV sticker would then be allowed to run the shoulder of roads without plates and insurance?
no, a vehicle that can be plated, has to be plated to be on the road.

People just need to get over it and buy insurance and register it.
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Old April 6th, 2009, 06:19 PM   #26
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no, a vehicle that can be plated, has to be plated to be on the road.

People just need to get over it and buy insurance and register it.
my buggy can NOT be plated, hence the question

I'm assuming that shoulder law is for ORVs under 56" wide or whatever it is.
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This law you speak of, where can I find it?
It will be right there on the ticket I write you.

First, you will be violating the "low speed vehicle" act by putting an orange triangle on a vehicle which IS NOT a "low speed vehicle".

Second, you will be cited for a whole slew of other violations; no insurance, no registration, unsafe vehicle and a bunch other that will crop up as your attitude gets worse.
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It will be right there on the ticket I write you.

First, you will be violating the "low speed vehicle" act by putting an orange triangle on a vehicle which IS NOT a "low speed vehicle".

Second, you will be cited for a whole slew of other violations; no insurance, no registration, unsafe vehicle and a bunch other that will crop up as your attitude gets worse.
1) You will never write me a ticket because I am too dull to break the law and I don't own my Metro anymore.

2) I was asking for proof because everybody around here spouts off about shit they know nothing about.

3) The arrogance that you display on your posts makes you look like a self loathing tool instead of a professional Law Enforcement Officer.

So in summary: Instead of citing the law and appearing like a knowlegeable police officer who likes to wheel, you chose to throw your weight around and try and intimidate somebody with your authority. Fail.

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1) You will never write me a ticket because I am too dull to break the law and I don't own my Metro anymore.

2) I was asking for proof because everybody around here spouts off about shit they know nothing about.

3) The arrogance that you display on your posts is makes you look like a self loathing tool instead of a professional Law Enforcement Officer.

So in summary: Instead of citing the law and appearing like a knowlegeable police officer who likes to wheel, you chose to throw your weight around and try and intimidate somebody with your authority. Fail.
I was joking which is why I put the in there. I just didn't feel like posting links to the law. My bad.
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I was joking which is why I put the in there. I just didn't feel like posting links to the law. My bad.
Thank you for clarifying that. I grew up in a cop environment and have alot of respect for police officers.
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I used to tow my truck using a tow strap, to autocity speedway in clio from swartz creek and the state police told me it was ok if it wasnt plated or insured but a friend of mine told me it was illeagal now. i would check into it a little further tho since i'm in no way a representative of the law. lol. man i sound like a real redneck! sorry. it was spectator drags, in my defence. ........ i'll shut up now
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TITLE 49 - TRANSPORTATION

SUBTITLE B - OTHER REGULATIONS RELATING TO TRANSPORTATION

CHAPTER V - NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION

SUBCHAPTER B - SAFETY APPROVAL OF CARGO CONTAINERS

PART 571 - FEDERAL MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY STANDARDS

subpart a - GENERAL

571.3 - Definitions.
Low-speed vehicle (LSV) means a motor vehicle, (1) that is 4-wheeled, (2) whose speed attainable in 1.6 km (1 mile) is more than 32 kilometers per hour (20 miles per hour) and not more than 40 kilometers per hour (25 miles per hour) on a paved level surface, and (3) whose GVWR is less than 1,134 kilograms (2,500 pounds).

TITLE 29 - LABOR

SUBTITLE B - REGULATIONS RELATING TO LABOR

CHAPTER XVII - OCCUPATIONAL SAFETY AND HEALTH ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT OF LABOR

PART 1910 - OCCUPATIONAL SAFETY AND HEALTH STANDARDS

subpart j - GENERAL ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROLS

1910.145 - Specifications for accident prevention signs and tags.
(7)(9) [Reserved] (10) Slow-moving vehicle emblem. This emblem (see fig. J7) consists of a fluorescent yellow-orange triangle with a dark red reflective border.

The yellow-orange fluorescent triangle is a highly visible color for daylight exposure. The reflective border defines the shape of the fluorescent color in daylight and creates a hollow red triangle in the path of motor vehicle headlights at night. The emblem is intended as a unique identification for, and it shall be used only on, vehicles which by design move slowly (25 m.p.h. or less) on the public roads. The emblem is not a clearance marker for wide machinery nor is it intended to replace required lighting or marking of slow-moving vehicles. Neither the color film pattern and its dimensions nor the backing shall be altered to permit use of advertising or other markings. The material, location, mounting, etc., of the emblem shall be in accordance with the American Society of Agricultural Engineers Emblem for Identifying Slow-Moving Vehicles, ASAE R276, 1967, or ASAE S276.2 (ANSI B114.11971), which are incorporated by reference as specified in 1910.6. (image) Figure J7Slow-Moving Vehicle Emblem View or download PDF Note: All dimensions are in inches.

Since with the above your orange triangle does not make it legal

MICHIGAN VEHICLE CODE (EXCERPT)
Act 300 of 1949


257.328 Producing evidence of motor vehicle insurance upon request of police officer; violation as civil infraction; certificate of insurance as prima facie evidence that insurance in force; contents; presentation of proof of insurance to court; civil infraction determination; surrendering license unless proof of insurance submitted to court; suspension of license by secretary of state; order; fee; renewal, transfer, or replacement of registration plate; producing false evidence as misdemeanor; penalty; points; section inapplicable to owner or operator of motor vehicle registered in other state or foreign country or province.
Sec. 328.
(1) The owner of a motor vehicle who operates or permits the operation of the motor vehicle upon the highways of this state or the operator of the motor vehicle shall produce, pursuant to subsection (2), upon the request of a police officer, evidence that the motor vehicle is insured under chapter 31 of the insurance code of 1956, 1956 PA 218, MCL 500.3101 to 500.3179. Subject to section 907(16), an owner or operator of a motor vehicle who fails to produce evidence of insurance under this subsection when requested to produce that evidence or who fails to have motor vehicle insurance for the vehicle as required under chapter 31 of the insurance code of 1956, 1956 PA 218, MCL 500.3101 to 500.3179, is responsible for a civil infraction.


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It does matter. Good job posting this information.
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It does matter. Good job posting this information.
Thank you, I will hold my opinion of you differently. There are too many people that will not see it any different no matter how you put it.

I have had many law classes and hands on experience and usually know what I am talking about before I post
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Thank you, I will hold my opinion of you differently. There are too many people that will not see it any different no matter how you put it.

I have had many law classes and hands on experience and usually know what I am talking about before I post
I'm a "prove it" kinda guy.
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prove it
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I figure I better chime in here.

since the LSV act was set forth not anyone I know can tell me why it exists. you are no exception. I happen to have read the original when the fed issed it a few years back. it was and is intended for the Smart/GEM car market. if you read the law it clearly states 2,500lbs or less. the idea being that a "Smart or GEM car would not be built to exced the weight limit set forth.

Now on to the flip side of things. the state police manuel says if you use the ORV for "Farm use" its legal with a triangle. the idea being it will not exede 25 mph and stay on the far right of the road. This contray to state law with says you have to use a 100 square inch reflective flag.

as for the Legal size of vehicles withen the "ORV road shoulder open" laws. the max vehicle width is 60"(5 feet) that leaves out a whole bunch of stuff. the idea that Rhinos, Rangers, and very old army jeeps would fit this catagory

secondly its not law to have insurance on an ORV, but its not a bad idea.
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