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Old April 3rd, 2009, 03:20 PM   #1
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Default Your Opinion Counts on the issue at Twisted Trails-Please respond.

Since I posted that Twisted Trails Off Road Park allows NO ALCOHOL, whether you are wheeling, riding as a passnger or are in the wheeling area watching others and drinking, because of the few people that insist to break the rules and for the safety of all, I have been receiving many pm's and emails congradulating us on our decision to strickly enforce this issue. Please do me a favor and pm your positive thoughts on this matter to our Club President, Gary Porter. He needs to see the positive reponses from all of you out there. Gary's Great Lakes avatar is elvislives Thanks in advance-Julie Snow
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Old April 3rd, 2009, 06:31 PM   #2
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With all thinks SAFETY Must come first. I Hope everyone understands and those who don't. Sorry for their luck. Good Job on dealing with this matter. Thanks Jules.
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Old April 3rd, 2009, 07:33 PM   #3
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Excellent decision on making this a dry park. It is not always easy making the tough choices, but it was a good call.

Thank you for putting safety first.
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Old April 3rd, 2009, 09:16 PM   #4
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It's illegal to drive on the roads and drink so I don't know why people think they can drink and drive in the woods.

Definatly DO NOT allow drinking in the park. That is for after.
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Old April 4th, 2009, 07:05 AM   #5
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None of you guys are doing what she asked. She asked that you pm elvislives with your comments.

By the way, pm sent. Here it is.

Gary,
The decision to eliminate alcohol at TT is the right move. I have traveled all over the eastern U.S. to different ORV parks and I have NEVER been to a park that allows alcohol anywhere on the property. Period.

You guys have 2 choices. You can aspire to become a premier off road destination spot in Michigan or you can be a local hangout that has the red neck image. For those of us that are coming with wives and children, we would prefer the first choice.

The final thing is that if there is a serious injury involving alcohol, with all the comments made about it, if there is a lawsuit, you guys would probably fall into the gross negligent catagory because you have been warned. You should talk to your lawyer about this. I think it would be devastating.

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Old April 4th, 2009, 12:13 PM   #6
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None of you guys are doing what she asked. She asked that you pm elvislives with your comments.
How do you know they didn't PM elvislives?
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Old April 4th, 2009, 01:47 PM   #7
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How do you know they didn't PM elvislives?
Good point. Actually I did, but Jim is right, make sure you also send a PM thainking him for the good job.

Way to keep us on our toes WhiteRhino!
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Old April 4th, 2009, 03:26 PM   #8
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Keep these posts going, guys. It's making a great impact.
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Old April 4th, 2009, 09:16 PM   #9
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4 owners, 1 of which is left undecided-----your PM's and post changed the way 3 of them look at it, let's get the fourth on board.
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4 owners, 1 of which is left undecided-----your PM's and post changed the way 3 of them look at it, let's get the fourth on board.
Why is this such a tough decision? If you want to be a business that caters to driven vehicles, how can you even think that in today's society it's an OK thing to drink and drive? You want our opinions but don't you really think you should discuss it with your attorney and insurance carrier? We're just a bunch of users with opinions. Some care, others don't, some are vocal and others aren't and some who will express an opinion don't even wheel.

The place is great and Michigan needs you. Keep it alive for all who benefit.
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Old April 5th, 2009, 08:28 AM   #11
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dont get me wrong, i cant say i havent been trail riding before and had a few beers, but theres a time and a place for it, and with the caliber of vehicles you guys get up there, the challenging obstacles, and as many ppl come out, i think if you want to keep your business thriving, the choice should be obvious. save the drinking for private parties.
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Old April 5th, 2009, 09:11 AM   #12
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your opinions are making a impact as long as its the same opinion . make sure you dont say anything other than the web nazis' opinions or you will be severly delt with.
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Old April 5th, 2009, 09:13 AM   #13
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your opinions are making a impact as long as its the same opinion . make sure you dont say anything other than the web nazis' opinions or you will be severly delt with.
your funny, alcohol has its place and that is not while 4wheeling at an off-road park.

its also funny you are still all butthurt about their rates going up. Seems like they are using the money comming in to make upgrades and remain OPEN so you have a place to go.

I really dont see any problem at all with the park owners trying to keep their patrons safe from idiots who want to get fucked up and wheel.
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Old April 5th, 2009, 09:21 AM   #14
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still thinking about hating on me good for you
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Old April 5th, 2009, 09:34 AM   #15
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The only reason myself and at least eight of my friends WOULD NOT take our rigs to TT is because they allowed alcohol inside. I'm sure we'll all be stopping by there now

If people need booze to have fun, they hang out with the wrong people or have a problem
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Old April 5th, 2009, 09:35 AM   #16
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i am not hating on you (I bet your a cool dude and i bet we know alot of the same people in bear lake) but I dont think this place will be able to stay open with people wanting to drink and wheel. The draw from serious off-roaders will become non-exsistant resulting in a major blow to profits and upgrades to the park. After a year the park would be worn out by drunks and shut down due to rates being so high to keep it open and no one comming. At that point the owners would just become private owners who own land and need to get different jobs to support themselves. The land would most likely just become the local wheeling spot again which i know alot of people were used to. I think the owners are trying to make a great 4x4 spot for everyone to enjoy and the locals who have wheeled this for years are alittle upset that things have changed alittle.

Also as mentioned before by whiterhino any accident involving alcohol and resulting from park mngmt negligence would most likely shut it down. It just makes more sence to keep everyone as safe as possible.

This park looks like the one of the only parks in MI actually trying to cater to the offroad community. Upgrading their park by listening to the suggestions made by people who wheel seriously and regularly seems like a good strategy.

I hope they can remain open and make everyone happy. If I ever meet you there, I will gladly wheel with you then cruise to the copemish bar and buy you a beer.
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Old April 5th, 2009, 09:51 AM   #17
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^^ well said^^
and now i feel safe taking my kids and wife to this park without the drinking and driving.
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Old April 5th, 2009, 10:06 AM   #18
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I agree 100% keep the beer away from wheeling
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Old April 5th, 2009, 04:33 PM   #19
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Hey Spit, thought you packed your bags and moved on to Michgan Wheelers?
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Old April 5th, 2009, 05:17 PM   #20
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you are proving my point
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