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Old March 18th, 2009, 08:02 PM   #1
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Old March 18th, 2009, 08:08 PM   #2
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Global Warming is the biggest LIE of the century!
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Old March 18th, 2009, 08:50 PM   #3
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Old March 18th, 2009, 08:53 PM   #4
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explain?
I'm no scientist, and I'm not going to search for it, but it's been written in many different places how global warming has been disproven.

Does that mean, we should say screw it, and abuse our enviroment? No, but the theory is it's the natural cycle of the earth.

Basically, our impact is the equivalent of the needle in a haystack.
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Old March 18th, 2009, 08:59 PM   #5
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Nobody knows, and if you ask 2 differnt scientist they will give you 4 very different and evasive answers...
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Old March 18th, 2009, 08:59 PM   #6
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i agree its a lie, but the biggest?
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Old March 18th, 2009, 09:08 PM   #7
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What about Sharon Lawerence and Dr. Carter from ER, I know I got his name wrong but who knows what his name is, and that dork from Titanic. They all say it's real and we know that actors are the smartest people in the world next to politicians.

The only thing that I hate more than people trying to bash global warming into my head is trying to convince me that Carbon Neutrality is just as good as not wasting energy in the first place. Sorry, it isn't, it is just a way for you rich doucher to not feel guilty about having more money and being able to spend at will than poor people in some turd world country.

It's bad science to only take data over a dozen years and try to trend it.
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Old March 18th, 2009, 10:08 PM   #8
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Old March 18th, 2009, 10:47 PM   #9
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I missed the show, but I still have not seen how it is disproven. I have noticed in Michigan over the pst 5 years our seasons have changed: winter starts later and last until April. This year the west side of the state the snow stuck around from first snow in the fall until last week, setting records along the way. I am no scientist but I can see what is happening in the backyard.
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Old March 18th, 2009, 10:51 PM   #10
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Global warming could very well be true, however, it would take thousands of years for it to have any major effects. Weather goes through trends- over the course of a few years things may warm up a bit, but if you look back at weather records, things have always cooled down again. It's too hard to say.
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Old March 18th, 2009, 10:59 PM   #11
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I missed the show, but I still have not seen how it is disproven. I have noticed in Michigan over the pst 5 years our seasons have changed: winter starts later and last until April. This year the west side of the state the snow stuck around from first snow in the fall until last week, setting records along the way. I am no scientist but I can see what is happening in the backyard.
We just had a long snowy cold winter. Yeah that is proving how real global warming is.
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Old March 19th, 2009, 06:18 AM   #12
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Global warming could very well be true, however, it would take thousands of years for it to have any major effects.
So we just shouldn't care because we'll be dead?
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Old March 19th, 2009, 06:20 AM   #13
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I'm no scientist, and I'm not going to search for it, but it's been written in many different places how global warming has been disproven.

Does that mean, we should say screw it, and abuse our enviroment? No, but the theory is it's the natural cycle of the earth.

Basically, our impact is the equivalent of the needle in a haystack.
I'm bowled over by your explanation. You've convinced me.

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but really, is that what you tell yourself? You don't think that with everything we are doing, we can't have any impact on the earth? Have you ever heard of things like the ozone layer and CFC's? Or smog and acid rain?
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Old March 19th, 2009, 06:23 AM   #14
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We just had a long snowy cold winter. Yeah that is proving how real global warming is.
what a dumbass. everyone knows global warming causing longer colder winters.
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Old March 19th, 2009, 06:25 AM   #15
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You can't make a decent hypothesis based on barely
1000 years of weather and climate observations when
the earth has been around for millions of years.

What ever happened to the big global cooling theory in
the 70's.

This is just another liberal ajenda to try to sap hard working
americans out of their tax dollars.

That is all.
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Old March 19th, 2009, 09:01 AM   #16
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You can't make a decent hypothesis based on barely
1000 years of weather and climate observations when
the earth has been around for millions of years.

What ever happened to the big global cooling theory in
the 70's.

This is just another liberal ajenda to try to sap hard working
americans out of their tax dollars.

That is all.

1000 years lol. Try not even 200 years. I think thermometer based temperature records started in the late 1800s. Everything prior to that is conjecture. People who have something to gain are guessing about tree rings and ice cores.
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Old March 19th, 2009, 09:34 AM   #17
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1000 years lol. Try not even 200 years. I think thermometer based temperature records started in the late 1800s. Everything prior to that is conjecture. People who have something to gain are guessing about tree rings and ice cores.
True, but real knowledge can come from it.

Here is a link with some real info on global warming. Long read but worth it.

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/Ca...s_climate.html

One of my favorites is the carbon foot print bullshit. All that horrible carbon we are putting on the planet. It came from the planet. It was captured by prehistoric life and trapped in the ground. All we are doing is taking it and cycling it back into the atmosphere. Which makes us part of the cycle.
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700 scientists dissent on global warming and the number is growing quickly....


http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.c...b-bd9faf4dcdb7


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“I am a skeptic…Global warming has become a new religion.” - Nobel Prize Winner for Physics, Ivar Giaever.

“Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly….As a scientist I remain skeptical.” - Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology and formerly of NASA who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called “among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years.”

Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history…When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” - UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist.

“The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn’t listen to others. It doesn’t have open minds… I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists,” - Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the UN-supported International Year of the Planet.

“The models and forecasts of the UN IPCC "are incorrect because they only are based on mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include, for example, solar activity.” - Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, a researcher at the Institute of Geophysics of the National Autonomous University of Mexico

“It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don’t buy into anthropogenic global warming.” - U.S Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA.

“Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapour and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will.” – . Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, NZ.

“After reading [UN IPCC chairman] Pachauri's asinine comment [comparing skeptics to] Flat Earthers, it's hard to remain quiet.” - Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs, who specializes in the statistics of forecast evaluation, serves on the American Meteorological Society's Probability and Statistics Committee and is an Associate Editor of Monthly Weather Review.

“For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?" - Geologist Dr. David Gee the chairman of the science committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress who has authored 130 plus peer reviewed papers, and is currently at Uppsala University in Sweden.

“Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic camp…Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact.” - Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch UN IPCC committee.

“Many [scientists] are now searching for a way to back out quietly (from promoting warming fears), without having their professional careers ruined.” - Atmospheric physicist James A. Peden, formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh.

“Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense…The present alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning.” - Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles.

“CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another….Every scientist knows this, but it doesn’t pay to say so…Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot.” - Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan.

“The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is something that generates funds.” - Award-winning Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata. # #
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You don't think that with everything we are doing, we can't have any impact on the earth? Have you ever heard of things like the ozone layer and CFC's? Or smog and acid rain?
Sure we can. Just not that one. The planet is doing what it wants to do, its been doing it forever, and its now being noticed. It was coincidence that the big push for being environmentally-friendly came at a time in our technological development that allowed us to notice that the planet was in the warming portion of its cycle. People assumed that because it was happening, we had to be the ones doing it.
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Sure we can. Just not that one. The planet is doing what it wants to do, its been doing it forever, and its now being noticed. It was coincidence that the big push for being environmentally-friendly came at a time in our technological development that allowed us to notice that the planet was in the warming portion of its cycle. People assumed that because it was happening, we had to be the ones doing it.
according to temperature trends as collected by scientist testing past atmospheres from drilling the ice, the earth (should) be in a state of cooling right now.
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