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Old March 18th, 2009, 05:17 PM   #1
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So we have the big bang theory to explain the origins of the universe, And the theory of evolution to explain how simple organisms evolved into complex organisms. What I have yet to here is a good theory to explain how a lifeless bunch of chemicals came to life.

Anyone have a good theory for me?
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So we have the big bang theory to explain the origins of the universe, And the theory of evolution to explain how simple organisms evolved into complex organisms. What I have yet to here is a good theory to explain how a lifeless bunch of chemicals came to life.

Anyone have a good theory for me?
Which man has never been able to reproduce.........
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Old March 18th, 2009, 06:29 PM   #3
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So we have the big bang theory to explain the origins of the universe, And the theory of evolution to explain how simple organisms evolved into complex organisms. What I have yet to here is a good theory to explain how a lifeless bunch of chemicals came to life.

Anyone have a good theory for me?
here's a start:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7675193.stm
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Old March 18th, 2009, 06:57 PM   #4
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I've heard of that before, but amino acids are not alive. There's nothing there about how this lifeless bunch of chemicals becomes alive.
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I dont know, and neither does dave. i am ok with not knowing, he is not. he has his "god" to keep him company during the dark days of the soul, and thats great for him. I do not need a supreme being to give my life purpose.
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I've heard of that before, but amino acids are not alive. There's nothing there about how this lifeless bunch of chemicals becomes alive.
Nope, but it's a start. I don't know it for sure, but its more plausible to me that an extremely hypocritical sun god.
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Old March 18th, 2009, 08:11 PM   #7
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I... I think it was... a... a crystal... sort of on top of a crystal....... sort of
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Old March 18th, 2009, 09:26 PM   #8
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I dont know, and neither does dave. i am ok with not knowing, he is not. he has his "god" to keep him company during the dark days of the soul, and thats great for him. I do not need a supreme being to give my life purpose.
But Dave believes he knows, so it doesn't matter if he is OK not knowing because in his mind he knows.

I, on the other hand, know that I don't know.
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But Dave believes he knows, so it doesn't matter if he is OK not knowing because in his mind he knows.

I, on the other hand, know that I don't know.
the mind is a fickle thing, and easily fooled. a man can tell lies all day and pass a lie detection test if he believes the lie is truth. faith is bullshit, question everything. better a doubting Thomas than a all night sucker.
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the mind is a fickle thing, and easily fooled. a man can tell lies all day and pass a lie detection test if he believes the lie is truth. faith is bullshit, question everything. better a doubting Thomas than a all night sucker.
I sometimes wish I could be someone that can just accept things on faith, but I'm not. I tend to think about things like this too much.
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I sometimes wish I could be someone that can just accept things on faith, but I'm not. I tend to think about things like this too much.
me too. being a simpleton is just so, simple.
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how come the bible doesn't have dinosaurs in it
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hey, using liberal tactics in a discussion is fun
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how come the bible doesn't have dinosaurs in it
it does. it also has witches, space ships, gods, demons, angels, giants, supermen, homosexuals, inbreeders, ghosts, and burning bushes. sounds like a book i want to take my life lessons from.
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Why are these the only two options? Maybe nobody knows the real deal and won't figure it out for another 2000 years.
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Why are these the only two options? Maybe nobody knows the real deal and won't figure it out for another 2000 years.
will the discovery be made by humans? imo, we wont last 2k more years on the road we are on.
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Why are these the only two options? Maybe nobody knows the real deal and won't figure it out for another 2000 years.
I'd love to hear about other possibilities. The only 2 options I know of are "life was started by god (use whatever name you like for supernatural being)" and "life started from some weird chemical reaction".

What else you got?
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So because science does not require people to have blind faith, that means the bed time story wrote in the bible carries more weight?


Oh, and I am pro-choice, and pro-Kerwin.
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I'd love to hear about other possibilities. The only 2 options I know of are "life was started by god (use whatever name you like for supernatural being)" and "life started from some weird chemical reaction".

What else you got?
Scientology?
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Here's my take (oh boy, brace yourself)...

Creationists like to fall back on the argument that it's impossible for the proper sequence of proteins, molecules, atoms, qwarks (we could go smaller, if needed) to assemble themselves in the order neccessary to begin and/or sustain life.

While it may be mathematically IMPROBABLE, it is not impossible. It's nearly infinitely unlikely, but however unlikely that chance, there is still a mathematical probability that it could occur.

Now, given the probability of such an event, it would stand to reason that it would take an almost infinite number of "samples" to obtain the desired results. There would have to be an almost infinite number of "primordial oozes" to get hit by lightning or whatever the initial "spark" was, in order to generate the high numbers of samples.

Look up into the night sky though. For every star you see, think that there are thousands, if not millions, more that you can't see with the naked eye. If each one of those stars were to represent a solar system similar to ours, then it would also stand to reason that those could represent the mathematical "samples" needed to overcome our seemingly insurmountable odds. Even given that some stars don't support planets, or that some planets are unfit for living creatures, there are still thousands (millions/ billions, possibly) of stars out there. I'd say that increases our chances of being that one planet that just happened to spring life from it's ooze.

Now that's not to say that I don't believe in a creator/ designer. On the contrary, I'm more apt to believe the religion side of things. I just don't like some of the assumptions that are made on both sides of the argument sometimes.
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