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Old March 18th, 2009, 07:45 AM   #1
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Ok, I'm not trying to cast doubt on your beliefs, just want to understand something.

Young Earth Theory places the age of Earth somewhere in the 4000-6000yr old range, if I recall correctly.

Given the belief that God created the Heavens and the Earth, the Moon and the stars, please consider this;

In as recent as our lifetime, observatories and amateur astronomers have observed "celestial events" such as supernovas, dying of gas giants, etc.

Assuming that what we know about the speed of light is true and given the time it takes for light to travel from one star to our visible range (usually measured by the term Lightyear, or the distance light is able to travel in one Earth-year), what is your opinion on the observation of such celestial events?

For example, the supernova SN1604 (Kepler's Nova) was observed in 1604AD by, you guessed it, Johannes Kepler. We've since determined that the distance to the supernova is approximately 20,000 lightyears. What this means is that as Kepler saw what was happening, he was really witnessing events that had occurred nearly 20,000 years ago, as determined by the time it takes the light from the event to reach us.

What's the Kerwin thought on this?
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Old March 18th, 2009, 07:49 AM   #2
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Your question is kinda along the same line as my thread. Mine isn't about light years though.

http://www.greatlakes4x4.com/showthread.php?t=126810
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He watched god cleaning house and getting rid of one of his earlier, fucked up creations.

FWIW, since God created all, "laws" do not apply.
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Old March 18th, 2009, 09:28 AM   #4
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He watched god cleaning house and getting rid of one of his earlier, fucked up creations.

FWIW, since God created all, "laws" do not apply.
I heard that idea too. Basically stating that since God basically thought "make this" and it happened, he could have potentially created the supernova as it would appear to us present day, making it look as if it happened 20k years ago.
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bible = 100% truth, science, = 100% bullshit mumbo jumbo.
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What's the Kerwin thought on this?
If you noticed I don't debate evolution and creation much because I don't invest the time to be studied enough on it.

I will however say this without using google: God declared light, and it was. How that affects light as it goes throught he universe is unknown to me. For example, if light shot out of his mouth crazy fast then it may have traveled 50k years worth of distance in a second. Consider that God made Adam as a man, not as a baby that needed to grow (it was created maturity), and the same could be for light.

That's all I got, maybe someone else will chime in.
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I always knew you would come around Steven.
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That's all I got, maybe someone else will chime in.
Faith = removes all need for logic.
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Either that or you don't understand logic!
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Either that or you don't understand logic!


I have found investing time to look at all possibilities to answer unknown questions to be more logical, then just sticking to what peers and idols tell you to be the truth.
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I have found investing time to look at all possibilities to answer unknown questions to be more logical, then just sticking to what peers and idols tell you to be the truth.
We are on a bunny trail, but what the heck..

I HAVE researched it, but I don't consider that or politics to be my passion, so I use my limited spare time for them.

Conclusions can be made logically based on information available, that is what the court system does, and that is what we do with matters of origins as well.

I just get really annoyed when people jump in and throw some random thing out there that is unfounded and unsupported. If you are going to post that something is without logic, then give me some meat to chew on, give some reasons.


Back to discussions about light :)
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We are on a bunny trail, but what the heck..

I HAVE researched it, but I don't consider that or politics to be my passion, so I use my limited spare time for them.

Conclusions can be made logically based on information available, that is what the court system does, and that is what we do with matters of origins as well.

I just get really annoyed when people jump in and throw some random thing out there that is unfounded and unsupported. If you are going to post that something is without logic, then give me some meat to chew on, give some reasons.


Back to discussions about light :)
I love Dave Kerwin!

Just for the record being Jesus is a sun God. I suppose going with God declared light is not to far fetched. Although it would be more accurate to say man declared the light to be God. Still a good story that has lasted centuries, but it does not answer the question at hand.
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I love Dave Kerwin!

Just for the record being Jesus is a SON God.

And I love you.

Fixed for ya!
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Fixed for ya!

Kinda cool how they talk about the light of God.....Just can't help it the word always comes through....
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i don't know the reference, however somewhere in da good book, it says that God created the earth 'with age'
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i don't know the reference, however somewhere in da good book, it says that God created the earth 'with age'
I don't remember ever reading that.

But God has accelerated many things, and since it is his creation, and since he made all laws of science, he also has the power to break and interject them. Example: turning water into wine, causing dead things to be alive, stopping the sun from shining, etc.
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Assuming that what we know about the speed of light is true and given the time it takes for light to travel from one star to our visible range (usually measured by the term Lightyear, or the distance light is able to travel in one Earth-year), what is your opinion on the observation of such celestial events?

For example, the supernova SN1604 (Kepler's Nova) was observed in 1604AD by, you guessed it, Johannes Kepler. We've since determined that the distance to the supernova is approximately 20,000 lightyears. What this means is that as Kepler saw what was happening, he was really witnessing events that had occurred nearly 20,000 years ago, as determined by the time it takes the light from the event to reach us.

What's the Kerwin thought on this?

Using logic, the Earth wasn't created first. From our (the Bible's) perspective, "the Heavens" didn't exist until "we" were created only because "we" weren't yet here to observe them. That doesn't mean "the heavens" weren't already there, or hadn't already been there for 20,000 years. This opens the door for intelligent life (if it exists) elsewhere in the universe to also be creations of God.


I don't necessarily buy into any of what I just said.
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I don't necessarily buy into any of what I just said.
I was beginning to wonder about this budding theologian! Go PP!
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I was beginning to wonder about this budding theologian! Go PP!
It is wise to study the ways of one's adversary.
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wat!? Naww, you are more like buddy, to the point at which I could wink at you and you would not confuse me for an advancing homosexual.

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