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Old March 16th, 2009, 06:06 PM   #1
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My dad's neighbor told him if your towing over 10,000 #'s you need a DOT inspection. He didn't know if it's total weight or trailer weight. I'd never heard this before. Anyone know anything about this? RB
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He is full of shit. Unless you are hauling for compensation or in support of your business, you are NOT commercial and do not fall under DOT regulation. As I understand it from talking to the DOT personally, if your tires and trailer are rated to haul what you are carrying, they do not care.
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My dad's neighbor told him if your towing over 10,000 #'s you need a DOT inspection. He didn't know if it's total weight or trailer weight. I'd never heard this before. Anyone know anything about this? RB
I think I have heard you need a chauffer's license or something, but I was never shown any proof and I also never bothered to look it up myself.

Did you try looking it up? Michigan driving laws are available online.
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if you are hauling in michigan you need nothing up to total length of 65'. the trick is double trailers and leaving the state. going out of state with a trailer that is not a "Camper" it requires you to post a not for hire on the door. secondly other states will get you on doubles & axle splits.
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I was just pulled over for this a couple weeks ago. It is only for commercial and it is the gross rating of both the truck and trailer combined. 10001 lbs is the limit, after that you must get a dot number. Post it and the name of your company on the vehicle. The officer that pulled me over told me I could get away with putting the info on my trailer because I am not over the weight limit until I hook to my tool trailer.

You must also have cdl and medical card
Flares and Fire extinguisher also

They pretty much have inducted all diesel pickups with tow into the semi classification
I hope Granholm gets some nice shit with the tax dollars
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Here is the definition of a commerical vehicle in MI:

257.7a “Commercial motor vehicle” defined.

Sec. 7a.

“Commercial motor vehicle” means a motor vehicle designed to transport 16 or more passengers, including the driver; a motor vehicle, having a gross vehicle weight rating of 26,001 or more pounds; a motor vehicle with a gross combination weight rating of 26,001 pounds or more including a towed unit with a gross vehicle weight rating of more than 10,000 pounds; or a motor vehicle carrying hazardous material and on which is required to be posted a placard as defined and required under 49 C.F.R. parts 100 to 199. A commercial motor vehicle does not include a vehicle used exclusively to transport personal possessions or family members for nonbusiness purposes.


Its kinda hard to really nail it down. Techincally, if your GCWR is over 26000 lbs, you are needing a CDL B if your trailer rating is under 10k, and a CDL A is over 10k.

I know when I drove, even out smallest trucks needed CDL A's, those being diesel 1 tons with 24k lb GVWRs, and then we had trailers better than 10k.

But, then there's that last line about solely being used for moving personal property. So if you are only moving your own stuff, not for hire, then its not commercial.
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if you are hauling in michigan you need nothing up to total length of 65'. the trick is double trailers and leaving the state. going out of state with a trailer that is not a "Camper" it requires you to post a not for hire on the door. secondly other states will get you on doubles & axle splits.
Wow. Ok, where to start. Putting "Not for Hire" on the side means that you ARE commercial, but are not available for hire. It means you have a dedicated run for someone else already, or you are hauling only for your own business. Never ever put Not for Hire on the side of a non-commercial vehicle unless you want to get pulled over and have to explain yourself. I have pulled my 40' gooseneck all over and have never had an issue. The gross weight of my truck and trailer is over 30,000 and I do not have a CDL. I talked with the Michigan DOT and they can do nothing to me unless I am in excess of 65' on major highways. The length limit is less on smaller roads, but I can't remember the exact specs on that. The only thing that I have to obey is the length law, the speed limit for trailers, and the weight rating of my tires and trailer. That's it.
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Thanks all! RB
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Wow. Ok, where to start. Putting "Not for Hire" on the side means that you ARE commercial, but are not available for hire. It means you have a dedicated run for someone else already, or you are hauling only for your own business. Never ever put Not for Hire on the side of a non-commercial vehicle unless you want to get pulled over and have to explain yourself. I have pulled my 40' gooseneck all over and have never had an issue. The gross weight of my truck and trailer is over 30,000 and I do not have a CDL. I talked with the Michigan DOT and they can do nothing to me unless I am in excess of 65' on major highways. The length limit is less on smaller roads, but I can't remember the exact specs on that. The only thing that I have to obey is the length law, the speed limit for trailers, and the weight rating of my tires and trailer. That's it.

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I was just pulled over for this a couple weeks ago. It is only for commercial and it is the gross rating of both the truck and trailer combined. 10001 lbs is the limit, after that you must get a dot number. Post it and the name of your company on the vehicle. The officer that pulled me over told me I could get away with putting the info on my trailer because I am not over the weight limit until I hook to my tool trailer.

You must also have cdl and medical card
Flares and Fire extinguisher also

They pretty much have inducted all diesel pickups with tow into the semi classification
I hope Granholm gets some nice shit with the tax dollars
only reason you need a CDL and DOT's is because you are hauling for a "job" most officers wont give a fark seeing a pickup with a trailer, you can get a away with a B 26K and down, even if its a combination, though they are working on changing that.
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I drive a 3/4 ton truck for work. If I have the trailer hooked up I'm concidered commercial.I have a log book to keep up todate for every day. It's a pain in the ass. DOT are picking off people every day that are commercial businesses but not up to the law. Don't ever tell them you make any money for anything you haul!
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there is a lot of bad info in this thread. I don't have time to sort it out.

Call the MSP at 586-727-0200 ask for Motor Carriers. You may have to leave a message.
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there is a lot of bad info in this thread. I don't have time to sort it out.

Call the MSP at 586-727-0200 ask for Motor Carriers. You may have to leave a message.
They are very nice and willing to explain the rules...
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Here is the definition of a commerical vehicle in MI:

257.7a “Commercial motor vehicle” defined.

Sec. 7a.

“Commercial motor vehicle” means a motor vehicle designed to transport 16 or more passengers, including the driver; a motor vehicle, having a gross vehicle weight rating of 26,001 or more pounds; a motor vehicle with a gross combination weight rating of 26,001 pounds or more including a towed unit with a gross vehicle weight rating of more than 10,000 pounds; or a motor vehicle carrying hazardous material and on which is required to be posted a placard as defined and required under 49 C.F.R. parts 100 to 199. A commercial motor vehicle does not include a vehicle used exclusively to transport personal possessions or family members for nonbusiness purposes.


Its kinda hard to really nail it down. Techincally, if your GCWR is over 26000 lbs, you are needing a CDL B if your trailer rating is under 10k, and a CDL A is over 10k.

I know when I drove, even out smallest trucks needed CDL A's, those being diesel 1 tons with 24k lb GVWRs, and then we had trailers better than 10k.

But, then there's that last line about solely being used for moving personal property. So if you are only moving your own stuff, not for hire, then its not commercial.
look up the requirements for a CDL. make sure to read the exceptions at the bottom.
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Who Needs a Commercial Driver License (CDL)? Any Michigan resident who intends to operate the following commercial vehicles is required to have a commercial driver license:
Single Vehicles - Having a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR)* of 26,001 pounds or more.

Combination Vehicles - Towing a trailer or other vehicles with a GVWR of 10,001 pounds or more when the gross combination weight rating (GCWR)** is 26,001 pounds or more.

Vehicles:
  • Designed to transport 16 or more people (including the driver)
  • Carrying hazardous materials in amounts requiring placarding
*Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) is the recommended maximum total weight of the vehicle and load as designated by the vehicle manufacturer. The GVWR label is usually found on the driver side door post of the power unit and on the front left side of the trailer. The GVWR should not be confused with the elected gross vehicle weight (GVW) which is declared by the vehicle owner for registration purposes.

**Gross Combination Weight Rating (GCWR) means the value specified by the manufacturer as the maximum loaded weight of a combination vehicle. In the absence of a label, the GCWR can be calculated by adding the GVWR of the power unit to the GVWR of the vehicle(s) or trailer(s) being towed.

Exemptions

The following people do not need a CDL:
Active Duty Military (including National Guard): With military licenses operating military vehicles.

Police Officers and Firefighters: Meeting approved training standards and operating authorized emergency vehicles.

Farmers: Operating vehicles within a 150 mile radius of their farm.
  • An F-endorsement is needed by farmers operating combination vehicles whose towing vehicle has a GVWR of 26,001 pounds or more. A knowledge test, but no skills test, is required to obtain the F-endorsement.
  • However, farmers who carry hazardous materials in amounts requiring placarding while operating combination vehicles whose towing vehicle has a GVWR of 26,001 pounds or more, or a single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 pounds or more, need a CDL with a hazardous materials endorsement.

Individuals: Operating motor homes or other vehicles used exclusively to transport personal possessions or family members, for non-business purposes.
that last line is interesting and conflicts with what I was told by the MSP. I will call them tomorrow ans see what they have to say about it.

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Putting "Not for Hire" on the side means that you ARE commercial, but are not available for hire. It means you have a dedicated run for someone else already, or you are hauling only for your own business. Never ever put Not for Hire on the side of a non-commercial vehicle unless you want to get pulled over and have to explain yourself.
I would be interested to see your source of this info. I always thought that "not for hire" meant exactly what it says. a commercial truck or a private truck can both be "not for hire"
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I think I have heard you need a chauffer's license or something, but I was never shown any proof and I also never bothered to look it up myself.

Did you try looking it up? Michigan driving laws are available online.

http://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,1607,7...5395--,00.html



http://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,1607,7...1609--,00.html
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I was just pulled over for this a couple weeks ago. It is only for commercial and it is the gross rating of both the truck and trailer combined. 10001 lbs is the limit, after that you must get a dot number. Post it and the name of your company on the vehicle. The officer that pulled me over told me I could get away with putting the info on my trailer because I am not over the weight limit until I hook to my tool trailer.

You must also have cdl and medical card
Flares and Fire extinguisher also

They pretty much have inducted all diesel pickups with tow into the semi classification
I hope Granholm gets some nice shit with the tax dollars


are you commercial?
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They are very nice and willing to explain the rules...
this whole subject is a grey area and sometimes they are not totally aware of all the rules. But they know most of them.

all the laws are online and can be looked up.
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look up the requirements for a CDL. make sure to read the exceptions at the bottom.

that last line is interesting and conflicts with what I was told by the MSP. I will call them tomorrow ans see what they have to say about it.
That does agree with what I was told by the Motor Carrier person I spoke with a year or two ago. He stated that as long as I was only hauling my own belongings and not for the purpose of making money or conducting business, I did not fall under commercial driving laws. The only thing the MSP could cite me for related to the trailer would be speeding, being over length, lights out, or for exceeding the weight rating of my tires or the trailer. He also mentioned something about trailers over a certain length are not permitted to use some roads. I forget the terminology he used for it. He called it a Class (A,3,???) highway. The grey area for me is that since I pull a 37' car hauler, if I had your Jeep on the trailer behind my own Jeep, would that violate the personal belongings portion of the law?
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this whole subject is a grey area and sometimes they are not totally aware of all the rules. But they know most of them.

all the laws are online and can be looked up.
Fortunately, I have never had to deal with being pulled over pulling the car hauler. I've been in MI, IN, IL, MN, OH, PA, WV, MD, and VA with it. I don't get carried away with my speed and make sure my lights are working and the Jeeps are strapped properly. That will probably keep me under the radar of all but maybe that super cop that is having a bad day. I hope.
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