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Old March 15th, 2009, 07:57 PM   #21
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Old March 15th, 2009, 08:20 PM   #22
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Old March 15th, 2009, 08:23 PM   #23
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Extremely smart con artist that in a perfect world would be in prison. But that is not the world with which we live.


I would rather see my tax dollars not be used for either. But at least those on welfare are not buying yachts with my money.
They probably had to work in order to figure out their scam's. So I'd rather my tax money go to them then go to the welfare system.
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Old March 15th, 2009, 08:31 PM   #24
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They probably had to work in order to figure out their scam's. So I'd rather my tax money go to them then go to the welfare system.
So if a thief has to work to break into a safe, you would approve tax dollars giving them a bonus for their troubles?
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Old March 15th, 2009, 08:32 PM   #25
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So if a thief has to work to break into a safe, you would approve tax dollars giving them a bonus for their troubles?
vs giving it to people who just breed and don't work?


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Old March 15th, 2009, 08:39 PM   #26
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I hate to say that I think I agree with cracker jack
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Old March 15th, 2009, 08:40 PM   #27
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So if a thief has to work to break into a safe, you would approve tax dollars giving them a bonus for their troubles?
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vs giving it to people who just breed and don't work?


yes.
Pretty funny concept but I agree. However, I still don't think that AIG is using Goverment money in the best way to boost the economy. I also don't think that there are employment contracts that are as binding as Bruce suggested. Just about any employer/employee contract can be altered if the company is going broke.
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Old March 15th, 2009, 08:44 PM   #28
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vs giving it to people who just breed and don't work?


yes.
Our tax dollars bailed out a company that is failing. None of those people would even have a job theoretically if it was not for tax dollars.

So no matter how you spin it or what level in the company the bonuses are given, people are getting 160 million dollars worth of bonuses for a job done like shit.

And I think it is bullshit, and the only thing in common with welfare is they are both bull shit uses of tax dollars.


There should be an investigation leading to some heads on a platter.
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Old March 15th, 2009, 09:41 PM   #29
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Our tax dollars bailed out a company that is failing. None of those people would even have a job theoretically if it was not for tax dollars.

So no matter how you spin it or what level in the company the bonuses are given, people are getting 160 million dollars worth of bonuses for a job done like shit.

And I think it is bullshit, and the only thing in common with welfare is they are both bull shit uses of tax dollars.


There should be an investigation leading to some heads on a platter.
I know it's hard for people to understand, but many people in many companies get bonuses based on THEIR performance, or a set goal THEY personally have to meet. Many bonuses do not rely on the company finanances at all.

It's not everyone job to look after the bottom line, for instance what if Joe Manager makes a base salary of 50,000 a year. He then has a bonus pay structure based on the output of widgets of all the people he overseas. His bonus has nothing to do with if they company is in the black this year, it's just based on the amount of widgets the people he manages produces.

Should he not get his "bonus" this year because the people in charge of making the company profitable screwed up?
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Old March 15th, 2009, 09:55 PM   #30
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I know it's hard for people to understand, but many people in many companies get bonuses based on THEIR performance, or a set goal THEY personally have to meet. Many bonuses do not rely on the company finanances at all.

It's not everyone job to look after the bottom line, for instance what if Joe Manager makes a base salary of 50,000 a year. He then has a bonus pay structure based on the output of widgets of all the people he overseas. His bonus has nothing to do with if they company is in the black this year, it's just based on the amount of widgets the people he manages produces.

Should he not get his "bonus" this year because the people in charge of making the company profitable screwed up?

Well if a quarterback throws a perfect ball, but the receiver drops it the whole team still loses out. Our tax dollars saved their jobs, no one in that company should get any bonuses.

AIG can shove their orange dot up their ass, I will not do business with that company.
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Old March 15th, 2009, 09:56 PM   #31
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Yes, At the places that I have worked, If the company did not make a Profit Than I did not get a Bonus. My Bonus was based on what I did and how much Profit the company did.
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Old March 15th, 2009, 10:10 PM   #32
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I also don't think that there are employment contracts that are as binding as Bruce suggested. Just about any employer/employee contract can be altered if the company is going broke.
Probably. I was just giving the "official" reason.
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Old March 15th, 2009, 10:44 PM   #33
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Yes, At the places that I have worked, If the company did not make a Profit Than I did not get a Bonus. My Bonus was based on what I did and how much Profit the company did.
Sounds like you have worked at company's with some logic, and/or were not big enough to buffalo uncle Sam.

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vs giving it to people who just breed and don't work?


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I hate to say that I think I agree with cracker jack

Seriously what the fukc ever happened to right and wrong? Are you guys really OK with this injustice because it is not as bad as other injustices? When is enough enough?
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Old March 15th, 2009, 11:44 PM   #34
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Seriously what the fukc ever happened to right and wrong? Are you guys really OK with this injustice because it is not as bad as other injustices? When is enough enough?
The media is blowing smoke up your ass and I think you like it.
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Old March 16th, 2009, 08:22 AM   #35
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The problem I have with this is AIG insured "gazillions" of dollars in mortgages.... or more accurately didn't insure them.

Anyway, AIG is bleeding red because they are on the hook for billions (maybe trillions) of dollars worth of mortgage insurance. They insured Lehman Bro's mortgages. The billions we're pumping into AIG is getting pumped back into the banks who we also bailed out.
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Old March 16th, 2009, 08:43 AM   #36
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Pretty funny concept but I agree. However, I still don't think that AIG is using Goverment money in the best way to boost the economy. I also don't think that there are employment contracts that are as binding as Bruce suggested. Just about any employer/employee contract can be altered if the company is going broke.
I don't think $6.7 bil (IIRC) to Euro banks was a good thing to do. As I heard on the news this AM, all contracts are negotiable.

I also heard gov't has some retirements through AIG. Wouldn't be a surprise. I have a feeling theirs didn't take a big hit like mine either.
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Old March 16th, 2009, 09:18 AM   #37
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Seriously what the fukc ever happened to right and wrong? Are you guys really OK with this injustice because it is not as bad as other injustices? When is enough enough?
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The media is blowing smoke up your ass and I think you like it.
wat?
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Old March 16th, 2009, 09:47 AM   #38
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The media is blowing smoke up your ass and I think you like it.
You think all the media outlets are fabricating the story?
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Old March 16th, 2009, 08:17 PM   #39
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You take back the bailouts and make them reneg the contracts like they do to bluecollars, and quit giving our money to crooks
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Old March 17th, 2009, 06:03 AM   #40
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Sen. Charles Grassley is so angry over AIG bonuses that he says the executives should resign or kill themselves.

In a comment aired this afternoon on WMT, an Iowa radio station, Grassley (R-Iowa) said: “The first thing that would make me feel a little bit better towards them if they’d follow the Japanese model and come before the American people and take that deep bow and say I’m sorry, and then either do one of two things — resign, or go commit suicide.”


I'd have to say Grassley has the right idea here!
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