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Old February 5th, 2009, 03:17 PM   #1
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Hey guys im a new jeep owner and was wondering if it's legal to drive on the street without the roll bar? I always thought they looked cooler without it, more like the old willie's but i'm not sure if its street legal in michigan. Also can you drive with the windshield folded down onto the hood? I rarely if ever see guys running with the windsheild down, but if i wanted to look really hard core, and get some goggles, is it legal? And correct me if i'm wrong here but i believe you can drive without the doors on as long as you find a way to keep the side view mirror there? And do you need both side views or just the driver's side? I've been all over michigan.gov and couldn't find anything. thanks in advance for any help
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Old February 5th, 2009, 03:27 PM   #2
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General rule of thumb on things like this: if it was produced with it, it needs to be there...
Not sure on the roll bar thing, but If I was in one and I rolled, I would definately want it in there.
Windshield- definately need goggles- I have a few friends that do it regularly.
Mirrors, if it had 2, you need 2. Lots of guys have come up with creative ways to add them to where the door hinges were/are.

That's my $.02
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Old February 5th, 2009, 07:30 PM   #3
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You must have a driver's side mirror, so figure something out if you take your doors off.

Here's a link: http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(244...me=mcl-257-708

I don't know about your other questions but here is a link that will link you to the appropriate motor vehicle code (if that makes any sense.)

http://public.findlaw.com/traffic-ti...affic-law.html
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Old February 5th, 2009, 09:32 PM   #4
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Can't say about the other 2 questions, but I know you only need the drivers side mirror.
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Old February 8th, 2009, 05:12 PM   #5
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thanks for ur help guys, let me know if you come across any other info on the topic
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Old February 8th, 2009, 08:38 PM   #6
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You can take the doors off legally (with rear viewing mirrors as described in link above) because the vehicle came from the factory with that ability. Safety (what it is) was designed into the vehicle as to provide whatever safety is required to sell the vehicle.

I am pretty sure that removing the roll bar would negate a safety feature and might be illegal.

Personally, I would not want to drive my Jeep without the roll bar on or off road. If you roll, you are probably dead. And Jeeps are not exactly ground hugging vehicles.

As far as the windshield.....not sure about that one either.

p.s. Regular convertibles have to pass federal standards for roll over, the windshield is part of that safety system.
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Old February 8th, 2009, 08:42 PM   #7
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just so you know they are called "sport bars" they are not intended for roll over safety.
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they had a thread about the windshield awhile ago. correct me if i am wrong but it said something like if you are going over 30 mph you have to have dot approved goggles.
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Yeah i agree, its probably not smart to drive without the roll bar (sport bar?) and i dont think i'd do it on the highway, legal or not. I'm just wondering more for running around town. Interesting note on the DOT approved goggles if over 30mph, that would make sense. I dont think i'd try it without a full face motorcycle helmet anyway, stones and such would really hurt bad. Thanks again for the comments
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When I got my Willys (55 cj3b) it had a "roll-bar" made from 2.5" pipe and bolted to the fender wells. Absolutely no roll over protection and since I wanted it more stock looking, I removed it. My thought on a "sport-bar" on any older Jeep is that it is attached to thin, rusted sheetmetal and is probably providing at most a false sense of security.

My Willys doesnt have seat belts either. When I drive it, I drive w/ the same mindset as if I were riding a motorcycle. I also dont drive it over 40 or drive it on busy, fast roads. Mostly through town on neighborhood roads and back country roads. I avoid as much traffic as I can.

If you are planning on using your Jeep in this manner, I see no problem w/ getting rid of the "sport-bar". You cant eliminate seat belts though, and I wouldnt want to be attached to a rolling jeep w/ no other protection. But, thats your call.

If you plan on commuting regularly in traffic, driving at higher speeds or offroading, keep it, and even modify and reinforce it.
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Old February 16th, 2009, 05:10 PM   #11
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they had a thread about the windshield awhile ago. correct me if i am wrong but it said something like if you are going over 30 mph you have to have dot approved goggles.


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I asked both a local police and sheriff, they both said the same thing.....but without the 30mph thing.
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I know I read the goggles thing in the motorvehicle act under motor cycles about the goggles since the law assumes you have a wind screen. the law also stated you only needed goggles for speeds above 35mph. secondly the idea of the sport bar was to offset litagation over the use as a roll bar. even Gm used to include a sport bar in the older K5 blazers but stopped due to its assumed safety.
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Old February 19th, 2009, 06:18 PM   #13
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I Drove My Jeep All Last Summer With Full Soft Doors With No Side Mirrors And Never Had A Problem. Half The Time Doors Were Right Off The Jeep Still Had No Problems.
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