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1976 460 with D3VE heads 29 65.91%
2000 Superduty 5.4 Triton 15 34.09%
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Old February 14th, 2009, 06:59 PM   #21
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I haven't been impressed with either honestly. But I do admit that the 460 will likely be cheaper, simpler and far easier to get parts for. I don't doubt that it can last much longer with modern oils (like mentioned earlier) and pretty regular maintenance.
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Old February 15th, 2009, 11:46 AM   #22
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i would go with the 460 and put a few nice components into it, like roller rockers and lifters, cam and some mild portwork would help a bit too. i would run it on an accel DFI controller with an aftermarket throttle body.

i think with the more efficient components and efi, you will see alot longer life, and as good or better efficiency than the 5.4.

i have been terribly dissapointed in the 5.4's if your towing anything, its always wound out. by the noise the engine is making you would think your doing 70, a quick look down and you will see your actually doing 30. they drive like a worn out 125 dirtbike.

IMO the 460 is the hands down winner.
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Old February 15th, 2009, 12:03 PM   #23
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460, never really liked those 5.4's
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Old February 15th, 2009, 12:24 PM   #24
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as far as longegivity the 460 can last as long if not longer than the 5.4 assuming it is built correctly and properly taken care of i beleive most engines are bullet prrof when treated correctly except of course the ford 3.8 but thats another topic all together.
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Old February 15th, 2009, 12:48 PM   #25
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between a 1976 460 with D3VE heads, and a 5.4 Triton from a 2000 F250 superduty...going into a 78 F250, ext cab long box, 4wd...truck will be for street use, mostly used for towing a single place car hauler, general work duties, etc...will rarely go off-road, and that would be just to get to where it needs to work...I also want it to be someting that is smooth and reliable going down the highway, as it will see some longer trips...

either way, it will have some sort of stand alone engine management system, with a brainless auto (probably o/d), and probably just the 205 case...axles will stay the same, but may be regeared depending on engine/trans used...

my thoughts are the 5.4 will be underpowered in a truck that weighs more then the one it was originally in, but the 460 wont be as smooth, or have as long of a life expectancy...

I have both of those engines, so its one of those two...please dont suggest anything else...

If it were my choice I would put the 460 in the f-250 hands down, you can't find a better workhorse anywhere. As for the 5.4L, I would sell it off and buy a winsor family small block for your ranger. I put a 5.0 HO in my 93 ranger and there isn't much room even for the smaller of the SOHC windsors. You can get plenty of HP out of a 302 or 351W to power a ranger around. Anything larger than a 302 in a newer ranger body will require a large amount of cutting to the firewall and front of the truck. If I remember right you will need to move the firewall back about 5" to get a 460 into a ranger, and then you have to deal with a 750# engine instead of one that is only about 75# heavier than the 4.0 V6 that came in the ranger from Ford.

As for auto transmissions that do not require a computer to funtion. Your choices are :

C6 - Available in small and big block bellhousings, very strong stock with great aftermarket support to build to handle almost anything. The downfall with the C6 is that it is a 3 spd.

C4 - Similar to C6 but only available in small block only. Still 3 spd

AOD - Only Ford O/D tranny that doesn't have any electronic requirements. Not available with a BB bellhousing. (kits are available from Art Carr to adapt an aod to a 385 series BB, but require special flexplate, torque converter, and input shaft.) This trans would require alot of internal work to handle the power of a 460 for very long.

All available transmissions for the triton engine are going to rely heavily on electric motors, sensors, and switches to function AT ALL. Which means you will need the computer from the donor truck to make it work.
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If you are looking for power, the 460 wins hands down.
Fuel mileage will be close either way but 5.4 would be a little better.
Reliabilty is a wash, both engines will last a long time if taken care of.

As for a trans, my only choice would be an e4od/4r100. Once upgraded, fairly bulletproof. Run it with a Baumannator TCS and have a fully programmable trans.

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Old February 15th, 2009, 03:01 PM   #27
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460 all the way 5.4's cant tow themselves. 460 RV cam & headers. Or go with a 99 V-10 for reliable towing.
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Old February 23rd, 2009, 08:30 PM   #28
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What trans and t-case do you plan on running after the motor. This may make up your mind very quickly. If you want to go manual, your limited heavily in what can go behind the 5.4. The zf 5-speed and 6-speed both work, but you have to get the models 99 and newer, plus the correct pilot bearing. I couldn't find any companies currently with any setups for mounting any different transmissions to the 5.4. Plus you will need to get a 31 spline transfer case. I am unsure if a 205 would bolt up, I haven't seen one yet. The manual will be at least $1200 brand new, its difficult finding them used.

If you go auto, a used trans is easy to find but are about the same price.

My personal experience with the 5.4 is excellent. Not the fastest engine you'll ever see, but extremely dependable.
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Old February 24th, 2009, 08:05 AM   #29
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ive never had the chance to drive a 460. owned 360s and 400s.
i have never like the triton motors. the v10 is the best out of all of them. my buddys call them the triton turbos, you are always waiting for power unless you are on the freeway. id go with a 460 e4od, sell the 5.4 and build the 460.
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Old February 24th, 2009, 08:11 AM   #30
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Pass on the 5.4! Along with the spark plug problem I know of 3 guys at work that have had cam shafts break before 100k miles.My Dad has a 01 SuperCrew 4x4 5.4 and loaded its a dog.

I also have a good friend who about 5-6 years ago picked up a rolled 93 F-250 and pulled the efi 460 and harness out to put in his 75 SuperCab.I helped wire the truck and he bought an adapter to use a AOD he reuilt and since then it has been one badass tow vehicle. Daily driving taking it easy he says he can get 15mpg,loaded is around 10mpg. Truck has been 100% trouble free from day one.With its headers,custom air intake and bumped timing it has to make over 500ftlb and 400hp.

Find a newer EFI BBF motor if you go this route. That would be the easiest and cheapest way to go EFI.BBF efi intakes will not bolt to older carbed BBF heads.
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Old February 25th, 2009, 07:25 PM   #31
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if you go with the 460 let me know what efi system you are using and how you like it im thinking my 429 in my jeep could use efi
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Out of curiousity, did you make a choice? What set up are you going to go with? Trans and the rest of the set up would be nice info.
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the 5.4 will be going in the F250, with either an SDS or megasquirt system running it (I like the SDS system, but its hard to beat the price of the megasquirt), and then either the E4OD or the 4R100, possibly run by the Bauman Engineering "Baumanator" trans controller (unless someone knows of a better trans controller system)...not sure on the case, but it can be divorced, especially since this is an extended cab long bed truck...axles will stay as the 60/44 combo thats stock, although gearing may change...tires will only be 33's, since I dont really want this truck to be very tall...still need to be able to load the bed easily...

this is basically a future project, wont get started on it till later this summer...but the 351M has to go, theres no way I'd want to stick with that engine...

the 460 will get stuck in my Ranger, but I havent really even thought about much on that one at all...it's basically getting the engine that I have and decided not to run in the 250...I'll think about that one more when I get closer to working on it...
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I used the SDS in my Merkur the last two years.Very user friendly.Also,plan on getting a wideband O2 meter if you plan on going with either stand alone.I use an older LM1 which works well also.
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I used the SDS in my Merkur the last two years.Very user friendly.Also,plan on getting a wideband O2 meter if you plan on going with either stand alone.I use an older LM1 which works well also.
yes, I would be using a wide band O2....


so any other info on the SDS? I'm sure its alot better then the megasquirt, but first hand experience is always a good thing, IMHO...would like some reasons to justify the extra $1000 or so in initial cost....
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I wouldnt say the SDS is better than a Megasquirt but it is easier to use.MS needs a laptop where the SDS doesnt,but the MS with a laptop has easier to read maps and tables. SDS just uses generic numeric tables and values that will take a second to grasp but once you do its very easy.SDS has its own hand held display unit.

I bought mine used for 650.00 which was a hell of a deal.
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Thats sweet your going with the 5.4. Quite original setup from what most people do.
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I dont like to be the same as everybody else..its often the deciding factor for me...

nothing new is ever learned by doing the same thing over...
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I dont like to be the same as everybody else..its often the deciding factor for me...

nothing new is ever learned by doing the same thing over...
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